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Old 04-11-2006, 03:26 PM     Post subject: SSH - Late position open raising. #1 (permalink)  
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These are the hands that SSH recommends limping with in late position (tight chart).

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A7s - A2s, K9s, QTs, Q9s, JTs, J9s, T9s - 54s
KJ, KT, QJ, QT

My question is what do you do when it is checked round to you in the CO or BU. Open limping is not an option so, do all of these hands become automatic raises, or do you fold any of them ? Lets assume that SB and BB will put up some sort of resistance if you repeatedly raise in LP.
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Old 04-11-2006, 03:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If its checked to you in the CO, pr BTN your drawing odds go down and high-card strength becomes more important.

Depending on how aggressive you want to be (or more importantly how passive your table is, and with SB and BB that will "put up some sort of resistance") I drop the weaker suited cards and lower pocket pairs, say lower than 55.
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First, it's important to keep in mind that there's a big difference between open raising from the co, where you can still get 3-bet AND find yourself out of position, and open raising from the button, where there's one less opp who may have a big hand and, regardless, you'll always have position. While the following is very, very dependent on the play of the button and the blinds, very generally I'll raise w

as the co:
AA-55
any suited Ace
any 2 suited 9 and above
suited connectors to 98
suited one gaps to T8
AK-AT, KQ, KJ, QJ

as the button:
AA-22
any Ace
any suited King
any 2 9 and above
suited connectors to 54
suited one gaps to 97

There are a LOT of games where the blinds are very loose or enraged by steals. When I'm in one of these games I tighten up a little, since part of the value of steal-raises is the part where you're, well, stealing, and if opps aren't going to co-operate, or if they tend to 3-bet with hands like A8o (I've seen it w T5s), some of the value of open-raising with the weaker of the hands I listed is lost. Oh--and keep in mind that the small pairs can be very difficult to play once the flop comes. Pokertracker is v good for analyzing by position, so if you don't use it to look at your cut off and button moves you might want to give that a try. And good luck!
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These are the hands that SSH recommends limping with in late position (tight chart)......
Correct. But however…..

I was read SSH last night and in the back of the book in the Q&A section, there is an answer that goes along the lines of….. “Almost always raise when entering a pot first from late position”….


I don’t remember ever reading this in the main body of the book but it is there in the Q&A section.
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These are the hands that SSH recommends limping with in late position (tight chart)......
Correct. But however…..

I was read SSH last night and in the back of the book in the Q&A section, there is an answer that goes along the lines of….. “Almost always raise when entering a pot first from late position”….


I don’t remember ever reading this in the main body of the book but it is there in the Q&A section.
It's not just in the Q&A. He says the same thing on page 91.

He also recommends open raising with suited aces in middle position, and pairs 77+.
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(I've seen it w T5s)
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lol--can't be too many of you out there! Did opp raise on the button w K7s?
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