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LeFou

11-19-2004, 01:33 AM Post subject: Sounds Very Whiny but is actually a request for analysis

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Could you guys take a look at these for me? I'm still trying to get the hang of limit.

These are, if I remember right, the only playable cards I was dealt in the course of 7 orbits or so. Note: The only one I win is a stupid call, a crying call.

ANTES/BLINDS
ANJBerg posts blind ($0.10), cacheez posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
TURTLECBECK calls $0.25, wildonexx bets $0.50, chrisbgood21 folds, dad5d folds, deadmoney33 folds, escredit calls $0.50, 8x10 folds, NuWere calls $0.50, ANJBerg folds, cacheez calls $0.25, TURTLECBECK calls $0.25.

FLOP [board cards 2S,2H,5H ]
cacheez checks, TURTLECBECK checks, wildonexx bets $0.25, escredit folds, NuWere bets $0.50, cacheez folds, TURTLECBECK calls $0.50, wildonexx calls $0.25.

TURN [board cards 2S,2H,5H,QH ]
TURTLECBECK bets $0.50, wildonexx folds, NuWere calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards 2S,2H,5H,QH,QD ]
TURTLECBECK bets $0.50, NuWere calls $0.50.

SHOWDOWN
TURTLECBECK shows [ 4C,QS ]
NuWere mucks cards [ AC,KS ]
TURTLECBECK wins $5.80.

// This was foolish calling on my part, but look at TURTLE's flop call. ?!
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ANTES/BLINDS
NuWere posts blind ($0.10), ANJBerg posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
cacheez calls $0.25, TURTLECBECK folds, monti_man calls $0.25, chrisbgood21 calls $0.25, Big O z folds, 8x10 folds, NuWere calls $0.15, ANJBerg checks.

FLOP [board cards 10D,KC,5D ]
NuWere checks, ANJBerg checks, cacheez checks, monti_man checks, chrisbgood21 checks.

TURN [board cards 10D,KC,5D,4C ]
NuWere bets $0.50, ANJBerg calls $0.50, cacheez calls $0.50, monti_man bets $1, chrisbgood21 folds, NuWere calls $0.50, ANJBerg bets $0.90 and is all-in, cacheez folds, monti_man calls $0.40, NuWere calls $0.40.

RIVER [board cards 10D,KC,5D,4C,AH ]
NuWere checks, monti_man checks.

SHOWDOWN
NuWere shows [ 6C,8C ]
ANJBerg shows [ AC,3C ]
monti_man shows [ KH,JS ]
ANJBerg wins $5.70.

//why can't I get away from these mediocre hands? 'Cause I wait two orbits for something that rises to the level of mediocrity!
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ANTES/BLINDS
8x10 posts blind ($0.10), NuWere posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
CheapSeat90 calls $0.25, cacheez folds, TURTLECBECK folds, monti_man calls $0.25, microterf folds, Big O z calls $0.25, spiderman131 folds, docshoggs folds, 8x10 folds, NuWere bets $0.25, CheapSeat90 calls $0.25, monti_man calls $0.25, Big O z calls $0.25.

FLOP [board cards JC,AD,6S ]
NuWere bets $0.25, CheapSeat90 calls $0.25, monti_man calls $0.25, Big O z folds.

TURN [board cards JC,AD,6S,2S ]
NuWere bets $0.50, CheapSeat90 calls $0.50, monti_man calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards JC,AD,6S,2S,10D ]
NuWere checks, CheapSeat90 bets $0.50, monti_man folds, NuWere calls $0.50.

SHOWDOWN
CheapSeat90 shows [ 10H,KC ]
NuWere shows [ JD,QS ]
NuWere wins $5.10.
//Usually what happens is I lose this, and I bitch and moan, and people say "of course you were beaten there was an ace out! That's an easy fold!"

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ANTES/BLINDS
CheapSeat90 posts blind ($0.10), cacheez posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
monti_man calls $0.25, microterf calls $0.25, Big O z calls $0.25, spiderman131 folds, docshoggs folds, 8x10 folds, NuWere bets $0.50, CheapSeat90 folds, cacheez calls $0.25, monti_man calls $0.25, microterf calls $0.25, Big O z calls $0.25.

FLOP [board cards 5H,9S,JD ]
cacheez checks, monti_man checks, microterf bets $0.25, Big O z calls $0.25, NuWere calls $0.25, cacheez folds, monti_man folds.

TURN [board cards 5H,9S,JD,KH ]
microterf bets $0.50, Big O z folds, NuWere calls $0.50.

RIVER [board cards 5H,9S,JD,KH,JS ]
microterf bets $0.50, NuWere folds.

//that'd be a DBB that turned a flush draw. Not to be, I guess...
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ANTES/BLINDS
monti_man posts blind ($0.10), microterf posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
Big O z bets $0.50, spiderman131 folds, docshoggs folds, 8x10 folds, NuWere calls $0.50, CheapSeat90 folds, cacheez folds, monti_man calls $0.40, microterf folds.

FLOP [board cards 3C,3H,6S ]
monti_man checks, Big O z bets $0.25, NuWere bets $0.50, monti_man folds, Big O z calls $0.25.

TURN [board cards 3C,3H,6S,4C ]
Big O z bets $0.50, NuWere bets $1, Big O z calls $0.50.

//definitely my favorite. What I'm thinking here is there is No Way he has any of those little cards with the UTG raise. And he's not raising back so there's No Way his big cards are paired. I check at the river on the offchance he's playing 88 really passively

RIVER [board cards 3C,3H,6S,4C,8H ]
Big O z checks, NuWere checks.

SHOWDOWN
Big O z shows [ 3S,KH ]
NuWere mucks cards [ 9C,9S ]
Big O z wins $4.55.[/b]

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zenbitz

11-19-2004, 02:50 AM

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1) reraise preflop,
flop looks OK, raise for info - and he called which tells you little. Still, unless he's proven aggression, you have to respect the bet out. He could easily have PFR with A2 or A5!
fold that turn you have squat, and were bet into
river call is actually OK, because if he was betting mid pair like 5s or 8s (nutty, but look what he called PFR with!), he might have been unable to beat your kicker

2) A little aggressive on turn with nothing but a flush draw - remember this is limit, they are probably not bluffing. Actually you don't even have the nut or 2nd nut flush. Gotta fold here.

3) Why raise JQos PF with 3 limpers? They won't fold, on flop you just got trapped by your own agression. You PFRd they are smart enough to think you have the Ace, but to dumb to fold! River call is marginal, but it's probably worth it for the info.

LeFou

11-19-2004, 03:13 AM

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Good points all. Thanks. Will reread 'em

One thing that kinda illustrates how I think comes up here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenbitz

3) Why raise JQos PF with 3 limpers? They won't fold, on flop you just got trapped by your own agression.

My general thing here is: if the majority of people here have No Starting Hand Requirements whatsoever, I'm going to get money in there when my cards are decent. I want them all to come along and bring their Q3s -- at a premium.

Oh, I want to look at #2 again real quick:
TURN [board cards 10D,KC,5D,4C ]
NuWere (I've got 6c8c) bets $0.50, ANJBerg calls $0.50, cacheez calls $0.50, monti_man bets $1, chrisbgood21 folds, NuWere calls $0.50, ANJBerg bets $0.90 and is all-in, cacheez folds, monti_man calls $0.40, NuWere calls $0.40.

Yeah, probably too aggressive. But a 7 completes me in addition to the clubs. ANJBerg's play is weird -- he calls me, but reraises after monti pushes it up. Is that brilliant weird or just weird weird?

|~|ypermegachi

11-19-2004, 03:28 AM

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hand 1)
reraise with AK.

hand 2)
don't bet on the turn, no one's going to fold. your best hope to protect your hand is to check raise.

hand 3)
QJ suited or not, isn't strong enough to raise, even with so many limpers. in fact since so many of these players will play ace and king-rag, if a ace or king comes you're screwed. the rest of the play looks fine to me. depending on how aggressive the table is, i would check raise if you think the button has a good chance of betting.

hand 4)
what did you have? unless you had absolutely nothing, call the river bet. the pot is too big.

hand 5)
nothing you can do about this one.

LeFou

11-19-2004, 03:29 AM

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Frustration continues... here are the last few showdowns:

J7o beats Q2o
KQo beats J5s wow... good cards
K5o beats T9o
K8o beats T5o

I would love to hear a theory of how to establish any inkling at all of what people have when this is the kind of stuff that shows down.

AllinLife

11-19-2004, 04:15 AM

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raise with your good hands.

"Is there any chance I'm going to lay this 9-high baby down? That's really not my style."
- Gus Hansen

LeFou

11-19-2004, 05:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

hand 4)
what did you have? unless you had absolutely nothing, call the river bet. the pot is too big.

Sorry, I thought it was in there. That was 6h 8h -- bust the straight and flush draws so no point in paying.

Oh in other news I ended up doing okay at this table... went from 35 to 55. I think partly the flops were just staying Way the Hell away from my cards for awhile.

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