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Fnord
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05-31-2005, 05:39 AM
Post subject: Sometimes a set is no g00t
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Fnord is SB with 6 , 6 .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, CO calls, Button raises, Fnord calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.
Flop: (11 SB) 5 , 8, 4 (5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, CO checks, Button checks.
Turn: (5.50 BB) 6 (5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, Button folds, Fnord calls, UTG folds.
River: (8.50 BB) Q (3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, Fnord folds.
Final Pot: 10.50 BB
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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When would you consider calling this? only HU? Why did you call the turn when the 4 flush hit but folded the river to 1 bet?
I don't mind losing a set to a flush because you can usually see the flush and slow down the betting if you feel the guy is on the draw/possibly hit. What I HATE is set vs set. You jam the pot only to lose to a bigger set. I just lost a 44 vs JJ bout a 35ish BB pot.
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stuck
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by Strung
When would you consider calling this? only HU? Why did you call the turn when the 4 flush hit but folded the river to 1 bet?
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He has drawing odds for a full house. Set isn't good without the board pairing.
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If I had a hammer
I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..
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Strung
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Set isn't good without the board pairing.
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I'm assuming you're talking about his set vs the 4 flush on the board.
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Midwest
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Correct...Fnord has 10 outs to his boat or quads...with 2 players willing for action still in and the pot at it's current size the turn call is easy...You could possibly see a 3-bet or cap on the river if Fnord hits
Of course a 7s in someone's hand would ruin Fnord's day.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Shark Bait
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Good point about the turn call. Enough outs to justify a call. I was starting to think the same way and wonder why call the turn bet with a gazillion cards that already beat you.
Interesting that you didn't bet, but I'm sure you figured that with that board someone was going to bet/raise. I assume you'd fold if CO or button had raised? Don't want to get caught in the middle of a raise war when trips are probably third best.
yes, the 7s would really ruin your day. 
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Phyl
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Standard yo.
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LeFou
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2004
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Originally Posted by poskid_1982
Correct...Fnord has 10 outs to his boat or quads..
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Let's not forget his out for a really interesting split:
which of course could mean a double bad beat jackpot if someone holds  -- but i bet if you don't use ANY of yr hole cards they don't give you jackpots? 
And yeh, strung the reason you call the turn is that you have a 1 in 6 chance of probably winning there. At the end you have exactly zero chance of winning any damn thing.
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