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LeFou

03-20-2006, 04:11 AM Post subject: Is something wrong with o8?

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Seriously, it seem like the game most likely to drive you @$%^ing batty before you hit a stride/profit.

I've been playing off and on for a few months, never studied the hell out of it but I know a hand when I see one. I do low-buyin SNGs; there are more suckers playing this game than any other, so it's (theoretically) incredibly profitable -- see "Why I Love O8".

But I'm not turning the profit yet. It's sick; I watch an SNG in which someone shows down J862 or worse almost every hand. It seems like a monkey could make a profit here; should I be a monkey?

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KoRnholio

03-20-2006, 06:27 AM

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I know the feeling. I've read a couple O8 books (Zee's and Tenner/Kreiger's) and it seems rather simple to earn a profit at the low stakes games by playing fairly tight and drawing to the nuts. Yet my PT stats show the 3000 hands I've played (at stakes .25/.5 to 1/2) show me running at 26 VPIP, 5% PFR and -2.36BB/00 hands.

I've temporarily given up on O8 to focus on my PLO (high only) and LHE game, where I have much better success.

Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

SonOfAkira

03-20-2006, 01:30 PM

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(Immediate Edit: I reread and noticed you are strictly playing SNG's. Perhaps this super-tight isn't the best for that format. Maybe initially, until the field is whittled down. Shorthanded i've found two pair can be taken to the river, and the game can be played like O HI, with nut LOs not as essential... A work in progress, keep us updated.)

Ok. Lefou, I really respect your posts and your knowledge of the game, and I think your blog is quite possibly one of the funniest things i've ever read (slide you mother into the pot, drawing in three aces... even my non poker playing friends found it hilarious), plus, I am new to Omaha 8 myself, so all things considered take my input with a grain of salt.
However, the thing that caught my attention was the 'why i love 08' hand you posted being strongly correlated with this frustration thread. I understand that was a tournament situation, and was shorthanded, so the dynamic was different, but this play is absolutely suicide in full ring. Look at it this way, in a full ring, 45 of the 52 cards are dealt out. If you hit trips, someone else has those same trips.
Absolutely every single time.
That's obviously an exaggeration, but it's much better to err on the side of caution. And if your trips don't fill up, preferably with top boat, it is best to proceed with caution. And if you don't have a strong LO draw, preferably a nut LO draw, you are asking for trouble, getting freerolled at the very least. (A hand like A2QK on a turn board of QQ35, say, should be taken to the felt as much as possible, however, IMO)
Folding the nut flush on a paired board, folding a lower boat, folding a nut straight on a three flush board or paired board are all essential. Holding lower trips or even lower set barely deserve a second glance without a stronger draw or redraw to boot. These are the people we (will) make money off of, we don't want to be one of them.
Does this seem exceptionally tight?
Well, yes. But that is what we are discussing, that is our game plan, non?
I am interested in hearing any and all feedback and discussion about O8, in learning and getting better. I have a "crazy O8 adventure" thread here somewhere. I think I'm hitting my stride, there was the initial donking off, but then a very strong comeback for the challenger. However, the frustration you spoke of happened in round 3, mainly just madness like losing aces full to quads a few times. I believe those are ones you can't put down. However, round 4 is very much on the up and up. I think we're on the right track.

baudib

03-31-2006, 02:54 AM

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Shorthanded O8 is a totally different game than full table O8. probably moreso than hold 'em.

Shorthanded, reads are very important. You must know:

1. The players who play too tight and will fold their blinds to a big raise preflop.
2. The players who will call raises with anything.

Most decent-good O8 players do not adjust well to the shrinking table, IMO. Then the bad players are too willing to go to the felt with A58J.

Playing big pots at small stakes.

DaNutsInYoEye

03-31-2006, 03:29 AM

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The thing about Omaha 8/b is that the hands run so close in value PF. In hold'em one hand can totally dominate another pre-flop. In Omaha 8/b though pretty mucb all the starting hands, good or bad, run reasonably close. If you're playing SNGs and you start to lose players, you're going to have to loosen up your hand requirements.

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04-03-2006, 05:52 AM

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weak one way hands kill most starting O/8 players.

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