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Old 03-18-2006, 11:42 PM     Post subject: Some turn decisions... #1 (permalink)  
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Fold Preflop. I know. I know. MP was givin me a lot of trouble, I left the table afterward.
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, A.
Hero raises, MP calls, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T, 5, 9 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP calls, SB folds.

River: (11.50 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB





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Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T, 7, T (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) Q (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB



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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K. CO posts a blind of $7.
Hero raises, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 6, 5, 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) A (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (7.70 BB) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB
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Old 03-19-2006, 01:54 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Here's my thoughts for what they are worth. I'm not quoting "correct" play, just what I would have done absent reads.

1. seeing as you didn't fold pre-flop, I'd fold the flop.
I can't see what helps you here....an A on the turn could commit you to a larger loss at least as often as it makes you a winner here, and youv'e got nothing else going on.

2.bet the turn..why are you slow playing and giving free cards? You didn't get raised, so you have no reason to believe you are behind. If the callers are chasing a draw, then that's good for you, if they fold you take it down.

3.Don't mind the turn call, but I'm not sure about the river. To me it looks like a weak Ace not wanting to get raised, but a flush draw my lead the turn out here on a semi-bluff, and then check the river too.

I think checking might be OK, but won't be suprised if others say it's a missed value bet. As Iv'e noted before, I'm a bit of a river wuss, so I'd check too.
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Old 03-19-2006, 02:35 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Here are MY thoughts - hand 1: Get better table selection. Dont raise Axo UTG. Stop being a moron. I think that sums it up. I like the turn raise if it can buy me a river check-behind though (and I expected MP to fold the turn facing two... I really, really did).

Hand 2: Its been my experience that the only people who call this flop either have absolute crap, or trips. On the turn, my check behind can't really hurt me - there is no card that will come that changes the strength of my hand, I'm either way the hell ahead, or I'm fucked. But if they have crap, they fold the turn, if they have the nuts, I get checkraised and probably call down because I suck at letting go of AA. Further, it disguises that I have AA -- giving someone with a weaker hand a reason to bet out the river.

In hindsight, how do we like raising this river and folding to a threebet? I like that, now that I look back at it. And I was close to raising, really close, but didn't do it. I'm a river pussy.

Hand 3.. I dont even know what to do there. I've seen people donk out a 5 there WAY too many times to fold, but I've also seen them donk out Axo as well. Whether the river is a value bet or a losing bet I guess is pretty read-specific. Thats an aspect of my game I'm hoping to improve upon.

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Old 03-19-2006, 02:41 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I like the turn raise if it can buy me a river check-behind though
Why? Unless he folds or we are ahead like 30% of the time or so we are losing money here. Calling and folding the river unimproved is cheaper. I always thought a free showdown moves was better when we might have the best hand and still have a good change to improve. This way we can get the same amount of bets in when we dont improve, but get that extra bet in when we do?
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Old 03-19-2006, 03:38 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Figuring we hit here about +30% (35? someone wanna do the math?) of the time, so we do have a good chance to improve. When we hit on the river, we get the extra bet in, when we miss we pay the same. Theres also the slight chance we take it down there, if opponent is "smart" enough to fold his KQ or whathaveyou.
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Old 03-19-2006, 04:18 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1.

I fold this flop always when not closing action, and often even If I am.

Hand 2.

I think you give a free card to gutshots way to often here. Bet and go from there.

Hand 3.

No reads = Easy Value IMO
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Hand 2.

You should semibluff this turn sometimes but not always.

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