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Old 04-15-2005, 11:10 PM     Post subject: Some thoughts on the Party 5/10 game #1 (permalink)  
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After playing this game for the last month or so I have come to some generalizations that I want to discuss with some other middle limit players. I started out a little rocky and after making some adjustments i am doing well. Some things that I have noticed are.

1. I use the players stats a LOT more than at lower limits. When I sit at a table I pick out who the very aggressive players are, who the passive ones are, and who is just plain bad. Based on this I now play the player more than I play my cards. At 2/4, it was auto bet, check, or raise.

2. Against the very aggressive players I let them bet for me instead of raising them. For example if I defend my blind with a weak ace against a very aggressive button I will just call down with top pair. 3 weeks ago I would bet the flop and or c/r the flop. These super aggressive players will bet with king high, ten high, it doesnt matter, and if you raise them, they slow down or just fold, if you call, it induces them to bluff more often.

3. When in the blinds knowing when to bet top pair weak kicker is key. If you hold 106os and the flop comes down 2 4 10 and the pot has not been raised, i find most players limp 10x enough to check fold this. The same goes for a jack. A king or ace on the other hand, most player will raise preflop (unless they are bad, which I adjust for) i am more confident to bet my hand in an unraised pot.

4. Players call down more. A lot more. I find that I can value bet quite a few hands becasue a decent player wont let got of aq on a ragged board.

5. Reading flop texture is much more important. Knowing when to bet kq after whiffing the flop really depends on the texture of the board.

6. Why are people so aggressive with flush draws? I get in heads up pots where they 3 bet me with a flush draw, lead the turn and bet the river after missing. HU this is a losing play if you know your opponent wont fold, but i see it all the time.

7. I use my position to my advantage a lot more in 5/10. This includes 3 betting with ok hands, stealing and opening with modest hands and so forth. Because very aggressive players will open with weak hands (out of position a lot of time too) isolating them and showing aggression back works wonders. Once they are 3 bet, they check fold the flop enough to make this work.

8. Blind play is tough. This is the area of my game that I am starting to work on hard and it needs the most attention. Being a good blind player is very important and in my eyes is one of the tougher aspects of limit holdem.

9. Semi bluffing becomes a very important concept which I could not really use in lower limit games. If the player never folds, the semi bluff weapon is blunted.

10. I Induce bluffs with strong hands that could be beat badly. Example KK on a 10 5 3. The bettor is in the blinds and c/r you. The board pairs on the turn and he checks. Checking behind him will make him bet the river with nothing, and if he has trips you save money. Some would say you are missing bets, but if he is on a stone bluff he will fold to your turn bet. If he has you beat are you going to fold to his c/r on the turn? I think in the long run this is a winning play.

That is all for now, any thoughts comments are welcome :P
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Old 04-16-2005, 12:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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The silly aggression is even worse at 15/30.

I never really got enough of a feel for the right adjustments to crush these games.
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Old 04-16-2005, 03:13 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1. Interesting point and a hard concept to understand for online play.

2. True at 3/6 as well. Any PT guidelines you use for "very agressive" players? Minimum data requirements?

3. How multiway does the pot have to be for you to feel comfortable to fold your TPWK?

4. How does this affect your bluff/semi-bluff strategy?

5. Good point.

6. Never seen this but its going to make you money!

7. I've experimented with this at 3/6 with mixed results. Im torn whether 3-betting KTo (for example) to isolate w/ position, is a long run +EV play.

8. Agreed.

9. See number 4.

10. Interesting point. On the opposite side, doesnt that make him less likely to have the 3rd or 4th of that card?
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Old 04-16-2005, 09:31 PM #4 (permalink)  
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7. I've experimented with this at 3/6 with mixed results. Im torn whether 3-betting KTo (for example) to isolate w/ position, is a long run +EV play.
This is not +EV, I do it with AJ because so many people raise with weak or suited aces, but with a weak king, you are going to be dominated too many times to 3 bet.
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