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kyc12
Old 09-18-2006, 03:56 AM     Post subject: some recent hands. #1 (permalink)  

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6 max is so cool.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, T.
UTG calls, MP calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6, K, 7 (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, MP folds.

River: (4 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Do you bet the turn? River bet is probably silly.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, Q.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 3, 6, 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

I can't figure out what the flop donk is. If the same hand is replayed against villian, should I play the hand differently?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5.
UTG raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8, 6, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, SB calls, Hero raises, UTG folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

River: (7.50 BB) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Is the river check corret?

I think I improved playing overcards a bit, next goal: improve play for middle pair 66-88 (little pair I just check/fold or try to steal blind, and I wouldn't bet unless I have a set or if I'm HU). Any advice? I appreciate it.
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arkitekton
Old 09-20-2006, 05:55 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Interesting hands.

#1 Turn bet seems essential. You'll pick it up here reasonably often, and it's not like a more common preflop card (T, J, Q) hit giving you (hypothetically) a common turn pair with a weak kicker where someone else may have paired the same card but with a better kicker. 68 and 78 aren't that common as starting hands, so you're not likely to stumble into someone's two pair, either. 3rd of 4 the UTG might have bet a flush draw on the flop, so it's hardly obvious he has a flush after the 3rd club hits and he calls the turn. River bet seems fine, since you'll get called by any 5, or any 6 or 7 that hung around. Not entirely clear to me though, since a check might induce a bluff from a hand that would fold to a bet, and you avoid losing the extra bet to a slowplayed turn flush.

#2 Seems like you're giving yourself the worst end of things on each occasion. I wouldn't raise QJo from mp, would likely fold to a flop bet here without reads, particularly if my alternative is a raise for a free card on a weak overcard hand; I would bet the turn instead of checking if I hung around that long the way you bet it until then since I'm not winning most showdowns if I don't hit my 6 outer, and I wouldn't bet the river after checking behind on the turn--it's too obvious I don't have a hand.

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I can't figure out what the flop donk is
Can't the flop donk readily be 87s, two hearts, or a pocket pair?

#3 -- Flop raise looks wrong--you have a weak drawing hand. Given that you're going to lose sometimes even when a 5 or 9 falls, this is something like an 8 outer. Not raising material.

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Is the river check corret?
Yes. If he called the turn with a pair of sevens or eights, he's not going to fold now. It's one of those, "If he can't beat you, he's not calling, so don't bet" hands.
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Old 09-20-2006, 07:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
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I can't figure out what the flop donk is
Can't the flop donk readily be 87s, two hearts, or a pocket pair?
Continuation bet from the PFR?


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Old 09-20-2006, 07:58 PM #4 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by arkitekton
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I can't figure out what the flop donk is
Can't the flop donk readily be 87s, two hearts, or a pocket pair?
Continuation bet from the PFR?


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I raised and he donked into me....

So it is fold pf for both hand 2 and 3?
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:04 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
kind of seems like this tool has a straight or a set, i don't really see him having a flush here but he might have played it that way for one reason or another... i call...

i might have lead the flop though, and then tried pick it up on the turn or whatever...

Hand 2:
I think it's a thin raise, but it's not -EV PF... depends on the table if i fold or raise... from looks of it you had a decently tight table if it went to the flop HU... maybe it was a one time thing which in that case you probably shouldn't have been raising in the first place... and if it was tighter, there are bettor 2/4 tables believe me find a new one!!!

anyways, raise is not horrid, fold is not a bad play PF...
i'm not so sure why you raised the flop here, i know he donked into you, but what could he call PF then donk the flop with? what kind of player is he? I'm trying to figure out if your raise is for value or because you thought he was full of shit... i know it wasn't for a free card because you don't even have a draw... well 2OCs but typically you wouldn't use a FCP for 2OCs... either way though i think if you do raise there that betting the turn is a good idea... what is he going to call on the river that he calls the turn with? (obviously it's player dependent some donks don't fold till all cards are out and they missed completely)... I just have to question this play as a standard line is all...

Hand 3:
I take a flop here with 55 in the BB even if it was UTG that raised, unless you have some ungodly read that player will only raise KK and AA or something... i don't mind the c/r on the flop here... you got to follow though with a bet on the turn, so that's fine... when the Ace hits, i don't think checking is too weak and here is why, what can the guy have UTG that he raised pf, called a c/r called the turn that you have beat now the ace is out? AK beats you any PP over 5s wins, a draw folds to a beat if he missed, you'll get c/r or called by a wide verity of bettor hands a lot her then you would by worse, i just can't see a worse hand calling...
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Old 09-20-2006, 09:50 PM #6 (permalink)  

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Good comments.

The problem with party skins is that table selection is not so easy. You gotta play to know what the table is like. I try to find a table with 3-5 players and pot size > 5BB then sit and see what happens. But I hate not having enough info before I sit down so I will probably look for another site after I clear the Empire bonus.
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Old 09-21-2006, 12:39 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Calling from the bb with a small pocket pair against a raise and two opponents is fine--you have immediate pot odds of 5 to 1 and should be able, if you flop a set, to get four or five small bets into the pot by showdown.

The QJo is light unless you have a decent chance of folding everyone. I wouldn't try it unless I had noticed the players behind were tight.
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Old 09-21-2006, 02:32 PM #8 (permalink)  

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New hands:

Hand #1:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A.
Hero raises, MP calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q, A, 9 (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, Hero raises, MP calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, MP 3-bets, SB folds, BB caps, Hero ??????

Hand #2:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9.
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A, 8, 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.25 BB) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Should I bet the river/fold to the raise? I always feel stupid when someone checked the turn and then c/r me on the river.

Hand #3: Good time to slowplay?
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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, J.
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, CO folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) J, J, Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (4.75 BB) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Hand#4:
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, T.
2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6, 8, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River not shown intentionally. 5BB, 2 players

Do you think I can check the river to induce a bluff? If a heart drop, what do you do?
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Old 09-21-2006, 04:52 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 New Hands:

hand 1: Tough, I call and reevaluate the river, as it is, you're PF raise may have actually disquised your opponents holdings, players may have just coldcalled with AQ, 99, and even AK after you agression in EP. I probably call the BBs bet on the river, but if MP raises and BB 3bets then I fold.

hand 2: Yea, I don't like the river bet with 99, you got a cheap showdown, I think I take it here, as played I fold to the river c/r.

hand 3: Bet the flop, gotta love making ppl pay u off when they're drawing dead

hand 4: standard
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