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Old 12-09-2004, 11:07 PM     Post subject: Some QQ Hands for Anaylsis #1 (permalink)  
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 In 275 Hands, I got dealt QQ 6 times:

1
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,735,650
Table Umhlazi, 9 Dec 2004 12:47 PM ET

Seat 1: Madragan
Seat 2: Sewer Rat
Seat 4: Dieselapa
Seat 5: luetch
Seat 6: CodeRedRulez [ QC,QS ]
Seat 7: sh3nyg
Seat 8: kutomorph
Seat 10: zubin1503
ANTES/BLINDS
Madragan posts blind ($1), Sewer Rat posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Dieselapa calls $2, luetch bets $4, CodeRedRulez bets $6, sh3nyg folds, kutomorph folds, zubin1503 folds, Madragan folds, Sewer Rat folds, Dieselapa folds, luetch calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 4S,7S,JS ]
luetch checks, CodeRedRulez bets $2, luetch calls $2.

TURN [board cards 4S,7S,JS,10C ]
luetch checks, CodeRedRulez bets $4, luetch calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 4S,7S,JS,10C,JD ]
luetch bets $4, CodeRedRulez calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
luetch shows [ AH,JC ]
CodeRedRulez mucks cards [ QC,QS ]
luetch wins $36.

SUMMARY
Dealer: zubin1503
Pot: $37 | Rake: $1
Madragan loses $1
Sewer Rat loses $2
Dieselapa loses $2
luetch bets $16, collects $36, net $20
CodeRedRulez loses $16
sh3nyg loses $0
kutomorph loses $0
zubin1503 loses $0

2
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,715,129
Table Krakau, 9 Dec 2004 12:38 PM ET

Seat 1: dirtybomb
Seat 2: poacher5
Seat 3: Brimas67
Seat 4: k0derkid
Seat 5: straiver
Seat 6: Chasedog
Seat 7: SlinginSammy
Seat 8: CodeRedRulez [ QC,QS ]
Seat 9: Wootsie
Seat 10: Hoosier01
ANTES/BLINDS
CodeRedRulez posts blind ($1), Wootsie posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Hoosier01 folds, dirtybomb folds, poacher5 calls $2, Brimas67 folds, k0derkid bets $4, straiver folds, Chasedog folds, SlinginSammy folds, CodeRedRulez bets $5, Wootsie folds, poacher5 calls $4, k0derkid bets $4, CodeRedRulez calls $2, poacher5 calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 8C,4D,KC ]
CodeRedRulez checks, poacher5 checks, k0derkid bets $2, CodeRedRulez calls $2, poacher5 calls $2.

TURN [board cards 8C,4D,KC,9H ]
CodeRedRulez checks, poacher5 checks, k0derkid bets $4, CodeRedRulez folds, poacher5 folds.

SHOWDOWN
k0derkid wins $35.

SUMMARY
Dealer: SlinginSammy
Pot: $36 | Rake: $1
dirtybomb loses $0
poacher5 loses $10
Brimas67 loses $0
k0derkid bets $14, collects $35, net $21
straiver loses $0
Chasedog loses $0
SlinginSammy loses $0
CodeRedRulez loses $10
Wootsie loses $2
Hoosier01 loses $0

3
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,681,558
Table Umhlazi, 9 Dec 2004 12:24 PM ET

Seat 1: Madragan
Seat 2: Sewer Rat
Seat 3: four_putt
Seat 4: Dieselapa
Seat 5: luetch
Seat 6: CodeRedRulez [ QC,QH ]
Seat 8: kutomorph
Seat 9: tom_sch
Seat 10: zubin1503
ANTES/BLINDS
luetch posts blind ($1), CodeRedRulez posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
kutomorph folds, tom_sch folds, zubin1503 folds, Madragan folds, Sewer Rat folds, four_putt folds, Dieselapa folds, luetch bets $3, CodeRedRulez bets $4, luetch calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 9S,4S,2C ]
luetch bets $2, CodeRedRulez bets $4, luetch calls $2.

TURN [board cards 9S,4S,2C,AS ]
luetch bets $4, CodeRedRulez calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 9S,4S,2C,AS,JS ]
luetch bets $4, CodeRedRulez calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
luetch shows [ AH,10S ]
CodeRedRulez mucks cards [ QC,QH ]
luetch wins $35.

SUMMARY
Dealer: Dieselapa
Pot: $36 | Rake: $1
Madragan loses $0
Sewer Rat loses $0
four_putt loses $0
Dieselapa loses $0
luetch bets $18, collects $35, net $17
CodeRedRulez loses $18
kutomorph loses $0
tom_sch loses $0
zubin1503 loses $0

4
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,623,962
Table Kosice, 9 Dec 2004 11:59 AM ET

Seat 1: islandpoker
Seat 2: Jimmy Bakes
Seat 3: TJR8987
Seat 4: CodeRedRulez [ QD,QH ]
Seat 5: Detox05
Seat 6: harlanbatac
Seat 7: ProfessorDC
Seat 8: Wootsie
Seat 9: Brian10
Seat 10: TITANS fan
ANTES/BLINDS
ProfessorDC posts blind ($1), Wootsie posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Brian10 folds, TITANS fan folds, islandpoker folds, Jimmy Bakes calls $2, TJR8987 calls $2, CodeRedRulez bets $4, Detox05 folds, harlanbatac folds, ProfessorDC folds, Wootsie folds, Jimmy Bakes calls $2, TJR8987 calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 2S,AD,KS ]
Jimmy Bakes checks, TJR8987 checks, CodeRedRulez bets $2, Jimmy Bakes calls $2, TJR8987 calls $2.

TURN [board cards 2S,AD,KS,7D ]
Jimmy Bakes checks, TJR8987 checks, CodeRedRulez checks.

RIVER [board cards 2S,AD,KS,7D,8C ]
Jimmy Bakes bets $4, TJR8987 calls $4, CodeRedRulez folds.

SHOWDOWN
Jimmy Bakes shows [ 8S,7S ]
TJR8987 mucks cards
Jimmy Bakes wins $28.

SUMMARY
Dealer: harlanbatac
Pot: $29 | Rake: $1
islandpoker loses $0
Jimmy Bakes bets $10, collects $28, net $18
TJR8987 loses $10
CodeRedRulez loses $6
Detox05 loses $0
harlanbatac loses $0
ProfessorDC loses $1
Wootsie loses $2
Brian10 loses $0
TITANS fan loses $0

5
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,594,135
Table Kosice, 9 Dec 2004 11:46 AM ET

Seat 2: Jimmy Bakes
Seat 3: TJR8987
Seat 4: CodeRedRulez [ QC,QS ]
Seat 5: Detox05
Seat 6: harlanbatac
Seat 7: ProfessorDC
Seat 8: Wootsie
Seat 9: Brian10
Seat 10: TITANS fan
ANTES/BLINDS
TJR8987 posts blind ($1), CodeRedRulez posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Detox05 calls $2, harlanbatac folds, ProfessorDC folds, Wootsie folds, Brian10 bets $4, TITANS fan folds, Jimmy Bakes folds, TJR8987 folds, CodeRedRulez bets $4, Detox05 folds, Brian10 calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 7H,7S,QD ]
CodeRedRulez checks, Brian10 bets $2, CodeRedRulez calls $2.

TURN [board cards 7H,7S,QD,4C ]
CodeRedRulez checks, Brian10 bets $4, CodeRedRulez bets $8, Brian10 calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 7H,7S,QD,4C,8S ]
CodeRedRulez bets $4, Brian10 calls $4.

SHOWDOWN
CodeRedRulez shows [ QC,QS ]
Brian10 mucks cards
CodeRedRulez wins $41.

SUMMARY
Dealer: Jimmy Bakes
Pot: $43 | Rake: $2
Jimmy Bakes loses $0
TJR8987 loses $1
CodeRedRulez bets $20, collects $41, net $21
Detox05 loses $2
harlanbatac loses $0
ProfessorDC loses $0
Wootsie loses $0
Brian10 loses $20
TITANS fan loses $0

6
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 (real money), hand #490,465,555
Table Pecs, 9 Dec 2004 10:47 AM ET

Seat 1: DIWIRA
Seat 2: Calvone
Seat 3: texam
Seat 4: CodeRedRulez [ QH,QD ]
Seat 5: Madragan
Seat 6: straiver
Seat 8: KillerDave
Seat 9: TexCal
Seat 10: Detvasomfan
ANTES/BLINDS
texam posts blind ($1), CodeRedRulez posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Madragan folds, straiver folds, KillerDave folds, TexCal calls $2, Detvasomfan calls $2, DIWIRA folds, Calvone bets $4, texam bets $5, CodeRedRulez bets $6, TexCal calls $6, Detvasomfan calls $6, Calvone calls $4, texam calls $2.

FLOP [board cards 4D,3D,KC ]
texam checks, CodeRedRulez checks, TexCal checks, Detvasomfan checks, Calvone checks.

TURN [board cards 4D,3D,KC,10S ]
texam checks, CodeRedRulez bets $4, TexCal folds, Detvasomfan calls $4, Calvone bets $8, texam folds, CodeRedRulez calls $4, Detvasomfan calls $4.

RIVER [board cards 4D,3D,KC,10S,3H ]
CodeRedRulez checks, Detvasomfan checks, Calvone bets $4, CodeRedRulez calls $4, Detvasomfan folds.

SHOWDOWN
Calvone shows [ 8D,7D ]
CodeRedRulez shows [ QH,QD ]
CodeRedRulez wins $69.

SUMMARY
Dealer: Calvone
Pot: $72 | Rake: $3
DIWIRA loses $0
Calvone loses $20
texam loses $8
CodeRedRulez bets $20, collects $69, net $49
Madragan loses $0
straiver loses $0
KillerDave loses $0
TexCal loses $8
Detvasomfan loses $16



Number 6 was probably my 3 hand at 2/4 and it staked me quite a bit for future errors


You can also tell how Passive I got, hand 1 was the most recent hand compared to hand 6 which was the latest.


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hand 1. fine.

hand 2. even with the king showing i would check raise the flop. the guy on the button, even a pair of 8s and he will bet that. then i bet out on the turn. and if you get raised you can be pretty sure they have a king.

hand 3. with 4 flush showing on the river you maybe could have folded this.

hand 4. even with the 2 overs, i won't show respect until i get raised. i would bet the turn. and fold to a raise.

hand 5. well played i thought.

hand 6. good job catchin the bluff :P
 
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Old 12-10-2004, 12:04 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Stop freaking out when an overcard flops, particularly when the pot is f'n huge!

1 - Well played
2 - Cap pre-flop; raise the flop too good of a chance to figure out where you're at.
3 - Well played
4 - Well played, I would be temped to over-call...
5 - Bet the flop, if raised get cute.
6 - Bet the flop!
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Old 12-10-2004, 12:26 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 2. even with the king showing i would check raise the flop. the guy on the button, even a pair of 8s and he will bet that. then i bet out on the turn. and if you get raised you can be pretty sure they have a king.
I agree with you there, this has to be the worst QQ hand i've played in some time. I dont even know what was going through my mind.

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hand 3. with 4 flush showing on the river you maybe could have folded this.
Yeah, this is just a good example of me not being able to fold a quality hand, even when i know what he has. PT had this guy as a Tight-Aggressive and i assumed he was trying to steal the blind, which he was trying to do. Once that A turned i knew i was Fubared. Still couldn't lay it down...damn.

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5 - Bet the flop, if raised get cute.
If there were more players in this hand I would normally do so in order to build the pot. But if I were to bet here wouldn't I have most likely lost out on the extra bet on the Turn? Is the risk of him taking the free card not worth the opportunity of the extra bet?


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If there were more players in this hand I would normally do so in order to build the pot. But if I were to bet here wouldn't I have most likely lost out on the extra bet on the Turn? Is the risk of him taking the free card not worth the opportunity of the extra bet?
I would bet here because I would bet any 2 cards here HU after a PFR. I see it as a balance issue. Hence I expect worse hands to call/raise and I like to give them the chance. Free cards aren't a concern with a flopped boat.
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fnord, you say bet out for the last hand...isn't it worthwhile to try for the check raise to drive out gutshots, kings with weak kickers, and flush drawers?
 
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fnord, you say bet out for the last hand...isn't it worthwhile to try for the check raise to drive out gutshots, kings with weak kickers, and flush drawers?
Yeah, but with no clear indication of who is going to bet, you may as well fire away to avoid having it get checked around.
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Even though your win rate wasn't that great. Six QQs in 275 hands is a pretty hot run of cards.
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Even though your win rate wasn't that great. Six QQs in 275 hands is a pretty hot run of cards.
I was also +$ with QQ although i lost 4 of them. You make a lot more money winning with high PPs than you do when you lose with them. Play aggresively.


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fnord, you say bet out for the last hand...isn't it worthwhile to try for the check raise to drive out gutshots, kings with weak kickers, and flush drawers?
I agree with Fnord here. I think risk is too high to have it checked around - theres no reason not to think you have 2nd best hand (if not best) in that situation. The other reason I like to bet out is hoping to get raised, it really helps in placing people on their hands more accurately, earlier.
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I agree with Fnord here. I think risk is too high to have it checked around - theres no reason not to think you have 2nd best hand (if not best) in that situation. The other reason I like to bet out is hoping to get raised, it really helps in placing people on their hands more accurately, earlier.
If QQ is the second best hand, you're in a lot of trouble. Yeah, the best way to find out is to bet.
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I agree with Fnord here. I think risk is too high to have it checked around - theres no reason not to think you have 2nd best hand (if not best) in that situation. The other reason I like to bet out is hoping to get raised, it really helps in placing people on their hands more accurately, earlier.
If QQ is the second best hand, you're in a lot of trouble. Yeah, the best way to find out is to bet.
Yea youre right, the way I put that came out weird. I meant that betting is a good way to find out if you actually have second best hand. No reason to throw away QQ without REALLY knowing if youre beat.
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