Some premium hands from tonight

**A'aag** · 07-04-2005 02:15 AM

Each has at least one point where I'm not sure if I'm out of line.

Hand 1:

Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K

, K

.
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) J

, T

, 6

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 9

(3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, BB calls.

River: (10.66 BB) 4

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB

Hand 2:

Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

.
4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 7

, 5

, 4

(2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 3

(2 players)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 2

(2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB

Hand 3:

Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, Q

.
1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T

, 5

, 8

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) A

(3 players)
MP1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.75 BB) 2

(3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Hand 4:

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J

, J

.
3 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8

, 5

, 2

(2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K

(2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Hand 5:

Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, J

.
7 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls.

Flop: (5 SB) A

, 3

, T

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.50 BB) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

**Nehmer** · 07-04-2005 02:55 AM

Hand 1: Looks pretty standard to me.

Hand 2: I don't like the cap on the river at all. By this point it's obvious you are splitting at best and losing it all at worst. Maybe I'm giving people too much credit though.

Hand 3: I probably bet the river...If he doesn't have the balls to bet it, I doubt he has the ace

Hand 4: Looks good to me

Hand 5: Tough situation to be in, but I play it the same.

**Demiparadigm** · 07-04-2005 05:38 AM

I agree with Nehmer except hand 3, you can lay this down against a lot of players. You can also raise the turn and take a free showdown. You wound up wit ha free showdown anyway, so good play the way it worked out.

**euphoricism** · 07-04-2005 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Nehmer

Words.

**poskid_1982** · 07-04-2005 11:48 AM

Hand 1 - Looks fine (Gaybet is suspect here)

Hand 2 - call the river...dont like the raise.

Hand 3 - definately bet the river. In retrospect a turn raise may not have been out of question but you wouldnt know that without a read. (note the guy).

Hand 4 - pretty standard.

Hand 5 - I prefer bet/fold to check/call. The second A is too obvious and you've been the aggressor

**A'aag** · 07-04-2005 02:25 PM

Thanks guys- here are the results and some comments.

Hand 1: Villain has Q4o...my only question is the gaybet when that draw completes, but with MP3 yet to act I think it's pretty clear I have to raise.

Hand 2: Split. A5s. Looking at it now I see lots of hands he could have with a six...

Hand 3: Villain has KdJd(!) and I probably miss a bet on the turn but not the river- however, I like betting the river when checked to better than raising the turn.

Hand 4: Was very surprised to see a grossly misplayed AK. Whatever.

Hand 5: Villain has Ad4d. I don't think I can do much here without him showing any strength all along, including preflop. poskid suggested bet/fold, which I have a hard time doing. Since reading SSH so many times I don't fold many rivers (heads up) unless the pot is really small or I've got nothing. Leak?

**poskid_1982** · 07-06-2005 03:44 AM

The only reason that I prefer bet/fold is because cahnces are an ace whore is going to simply call...If he raises you, the muck sounds fine...But I want a chance to win this on the river where i've been the aggressor.

**A'aag** · 07-06-2005 04:16 AM

If I bet the river and he folds, I probably would have won anyway, so I figured I'd try to get him to bluff and eliminate the possibility of a raise.

**elipsesjeff** · 07-07-2005 03:52 AM

Ive got a question for you:

Whats with the constant moving in games? I've seen you play 1/2 to 3/6 full here and maybe even 5/10 6 max on another post. I hope you aren't playing outside your BR at all and I would suggest sticking to a game to get used to the betting and the action.

**A'aag** · 07-07-2005 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Ive got a question for you:

Whats with the constant moving in games? I've seen you play 1/2 to 3/6 full here and maybe even 5/10 6 max on another post. I hope you aren't playing outside your BR at all and I would suggest sticking to a game to get used to the betting and the action.

Yeah I can see that looks weird. I haven't played 5/10 6 max, but I was up at 5/10 full at one point. After a -270BB swing that sent me back down to 2/4, I've abandoned the 300BB rule for the 500BB rule. I'm more comfortable that way. The reason there are so many limits in my post is that it's hard to find a good table at UB, where I'm clearing a bonus. So I'll play any game that looks good up to the limit I'm bankrolled for, which is currently 3/6.

One thing that's interesting is that since changing from 300 to 500 BB, my graphs of profit vs hands and BB vs hands look weird. BB vs hands is a normal warbly, but vaguely linear increase. Bur profit has this goofy spike/huge pit from 5/10 that I still haven't recovered from.

07-04-2005 02:15 AM #1
A'aag View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 174 Location Loyal son of Rochester	Some premium hands from tonight Each has at least one point where I'm not sure if I'm out of line. Hand 1: Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, K. 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls. Flop: (6.33 SB) J, T, 6 (3 players) BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, BB calls. Turn: (4.66 BB) 9 (3 players) BB bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls, BB calls. River: (10.66 BB) 4 (3 players) BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 folds, BB calls. Final Pot: 12.66 BB Hand 2: Ultimate Bet 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K. 4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls. Flop: (5.33 SB) 7, 5, 4 (2 players) MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls. Turn: (4.66 BB) 3 (2 players) MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls. River: (6.66 BB) 2 (2 players) MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls. Final Pot: 14.66 BB Hand 3: Ultimate Bet 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, Q. 1 fold, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP1 calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) T, 5, 8 (3 players) MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls. Turn: (4.75 BB) A (3 players) MP1 bets, Hero calls. River: (6.75 BB) 2 (3 players) MP1 checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 6.75 BB Hand 4: Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J. 3 folds, Hero raises, MP2 calls, 5 folds. Flop: (5.50 SB) 8, 5, 2 (2 players) Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls. Turn: (5.75 BB) K (2 players) Hero bets, MP2 calls. River: (7.75 BB) 5 (2 players) Hero bets, MP2 calls. Final Pot: 9.75 BB Hand 5: Ultimate Bet 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J. 7 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, Button calls. Flop: (5 SB) A, 3, T (2 players) Hero bets, Button calls. Turn: (3.50 BB) 2 (2 players) Hero bets, Button calls. River: (5.50 BB) A (2 players) Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls. Final Pot: 7.50 BB

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07-04-2005 02:55 AM #2
Nehmer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2004 Posts 671 Location Decatur, IL	Hand 1: Looks pretty standard to me. Hand 2: I don't like the cap on the river at all. By this point it's obvious you are splitting at best and losing it all at worst. Maybe I'm giving people too much credit though. Hand 3: I probably bet the river...If he doesn't have the balls to bet it, I doubt he has the ace Hand 4: Looks good to me Hand 5: Tough situation to be in, but I play it the same.

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07-04-2005 05:38 AM #3
Demiparadigm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2005 Posts 1,963 Location Party 6 max	I agree with Nehmer except hand 3, you can lay this down against a lot of players. You can also raise the turn and take a free showdown. You wound up wit ha free showdown anyway, so good play the way it worked out.
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07-04-2005 05:38 AM #4
euphoricism View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 5,365 Location Your place or my place	Originally Posted by Nehmer Words.

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07-04-2005 11:48 AM #5
poskid_1982 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 404 Location Midwest	Hand 1 - Looks fine (Gaybet is suspect here) Hand 2 - call the river...dont like the raise. Hand 3 - definately bet the river. In retrospect a turn raise may not have been out of question but you wouldnt know that without a read. (note the guy). Hand 4 - pretty standard. Hand 5 - I prefer bet/fold to check/call. The second A is too obvious and you've been the aggressor
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07-04-2005 02:25 PM #6
A'aag View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 174 Location Loyal son of Rochester	Thanks guys- here are the results and some comments. Hand 1: Villain has Q4o...my only question is the gaybet when that draw completes, but with MP3 yet to act I think it's pretty clear I have to raise. Hand 2: Split. A5s. Looking at it now I see lots of hands he could have with a six... Hand 3: Villain has KdJd(!) and I probably miss a bet on the turn but not the river- however, I like betting the river when checked to better than raising the turn. Hand 4: Was very surprised to see a grossly misplayed AK. Whatever. Hand 5: Villain has Ad4d. I don't think I can do much here without him showing any strength all along, including preflop. poskid suggested bet/fold, which I have a hard time doing. Since reading SSH so many times I don't fold many rivers (heads up) unless the pot is really small or I've got nothing. Leak?

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07-06-2005 03:44 AM #7
poskid_1982 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 404 Location Midwest	The only reason that I prefer bet/fold is because cahnces are an ace whore is going to simply call...If he raises you, the muck sounds fine...But I want a chance to win this on the river where i've been the aggressor.
	Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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07-06-2005 04:16 AM #8
A'aag View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 174 Location Loyal son of Rochester	If I bet the river and he folds, I probably would have won anyway, so I figured I'd try to get him to bluff and eliminate the possibility of a raise.

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07-07-2005 03:52 AM #9
elipsesjeff View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2004 Posts 4,863 Location Northern Virginia	Ive got a question for you: Whats with the constant moving in games? I've seen you play 1/2 to 3/6 full here and maybe even 5/10 6 max on another post. I hope you aren't playing outside your BR at all and I would suggest sticking to a game to get used to the betting and the action.
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07-07-2005 12:48 PM #10
A'aag View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2005 Posts 174 Location Loyal son of Rochester	Originally Posted by elipsesjeff Ive got a question for you: Whats with the constant moving in games? I've seen you play 1/2 to 3/6 full here and maybe even 5/10 6 max on another post. I hope you aren't playing outside your BR at all and I would suggest sticking to a game to get used to the betting and the action. Yeah I can see that looks weird. I haven't played 5/10 6 max, but I was up at 5/10 full at one point. After a -270BB swing that sent me back down to 2/4, I've abandoned the 300BB rule for the 500BB rule. I'm more comfortable that way. The reason there are so many limits in my post is that it's hard to find a good table at UB, where I'm clearing a bonus. So I'll play any game that looks good up to the limit I'm bankrolled for, which is currently 3/6. One thing that's interesting is that since changing from 300 to 500 BB, my graphs of profit vs hands and BB vs hands look weird. BB vs hands is a normal warbly, but vaguely linear increase. Bur profit has this goofy spike/huge pit from 5/10 that I still haven't recovered from.

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