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thirteen
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11-07-2005, 05:33 PM
Post subject: Some people must think this is a good omaha starting hand...
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Straight
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I noticed a trend while sitting down in a low buy-in omaha ring game which baffles me. People with hands like 555A or 888K raising preflop... and calling down to the river.
It's likely that these people don't understand the rules of omaha and think that they have a legitimate 3 of a kind here. It's the only explanation I can think of.
Has anyone else noticed this?
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dsaxton
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11-07-2005, 05:41 PM
Post subject: Re: Some people must think this is a good omaha starting han
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Originally Posted by thirteen
I noticed a trend while sitting down in a low buy-in omaha ring game which baffles me. People with hands like 555A or 888K raising preflop... and calling down to the river.
It's likely that these people don't understand the rules of omaha and think that they have a legitimate 3 of a kind here. It's the only explanation I can think of.
Has anyone else noticed this?
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I saw some lady get all-in preflop with A, A, A, x at $100 PL.
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ImMrFish
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This happened to me last week. I flopped the highest boat, potted it, got a caller, and put him all in on the turn. He called with nothing but AAAx and his his one outer on the river.
I wanted to throttle the guy, but seriously, how mad can you be at someone who will make that play over and over again?
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lamaros
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I might go AI heads-up with AAAx, one suited pair, vs the right person. Might.
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by lamaros
I might go AI heads-up with AAAx, one suited pair, vs the right person. Might.
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Mucking trips instantly preflop is pretty much basic Omaha strategy. The hand has no playability postflop, and so should not be played at all.
In terms of win percentages, A, A, A, x is a coinflip against 4 random rags.
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Bad Beaten
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11-08-2005, 03:48 PM
Post subject: Well...
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Straight
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Last night, I saw somebody put their whole stack in pre-flop with AQ75 rainbow.
They lost.
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lamaros
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In terms of win percentages, A, A, A, x is a coinflip against 4 random rags.
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I didn't believe you, so I checked. Hmm...
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 645393 59.43 439199 40.44 1416 0.13 0.595
Kc Tc 9d 8h 439199 40.44 645393 59.43 1416 0.13 0.405
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 651511 59.99 434497 40.01 0 0.00 0.600
9s Qc 2d 6h 434497 40.01 651511 59.99 0 0.00 0.400
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 586213 53.98 499795 46.02 0 0.00 0.540
9s Qc 6c 8d 499795 46.02 586213 53.98 0 0.00 0.460
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 596907 54.96 487773 44.91 1328 0.12 0.550
Qc Tc 9d 8d 487773 44.91 596907 54.96 1328 0.12 0.450
Hence, I play AAAx suited HU against the right people.
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ImMrFish
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Heh, good to know.
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by lamaros
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In terms of win percentages, A, A, A, x is a coinflip against 4 random rags.
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I didn't believe you, so I checked. Hmm...
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 645393 59.43 439199 40.44 1416 0.13 0.595
Kc Tc 9d 8h 439199 40.44 645393 59.43 1416 0.13 0.405
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 651511 59.99 434497 40.01 0 0.00 0.600
9s Qc 2d 6h 434497 40.01 651511 59.99 0 0.00 0.400
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 586213 53.98 499795 46.02 0 0.00 0.540
9s Qc 6c 8d 499795 46.02 586213 53.98 0 0.00 0.460
Omaha Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ts Ac Ad 596907 54.96 487773 44.91 1328 0.12 0.550
Qc Tc 9d 8d 487773 44.91 596907 54.96 1328 0.12 0.450
Hence, I play AAAx suited HU against the right people. |
Those numbers basically indicate virtual coinflip situations.
So, how are you suggesting that you play A, A, A, x? Are you going to open for a raise, even though the best you can do is hope for no action on the flop, since then you're either beat or barely ahead, then hope to get reraised by the "right person," and then get in a raising war so you can hopefully get all-in preflop and achieve a virtual coinflip situation? This does not make any sense. Fold preflop.
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Fnord
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Pre-flop numbers are kind of silly since:
o Just about all omaha hi hands run very close in all-in value.
o All the money goes in post-flop
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lamaros
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Meaning that if I'm in late position against a complete retard who bets then reraises on me and I can raise and get it heads up, I will.
I'm not claiming it's a great hand, but there are worse hands to play than AAAxs, and most people aren't as aware of them. AAAxs is the only hand you can play with trips, though, as it's the TP and Top Flush possibilities that make it work.
ps. I'll play "coin-flips" every time if I'm the one getting 55-60% of it.
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Pre-flop numbers are kind of silly since:
o Just about all omaha hi hands run very close in all-in value.
o All the money goes in post-flop
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From my experience it's nearly impossible to get all-in preflop in Omaha, unless up against idiots (considering it's unlikely two players both have A-A).
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