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Old 08-25-2005, 03:48 AM     Post subject: some more hands #1 (permalink)  
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HAND 1: villian is TAP 16/5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A.
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 3-bets, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q, T, T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

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HAND 2: looking back, i really really hated my flop fold...i was scared shitless that SB had me dominated, or the CO would raise behind me. so...call or raise?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, A. MP3 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, CO raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls $5 (All-In), MP3 folds, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (19 SB) 8, 3, 9 (5 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11 BB) K (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

River: (14 BB) A (4 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 16 BB
 
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Old 08-25-2005, 03:58 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand1: Good
Hand2: Big pot, you have overcards, but horrible reverse implied odds. The flop fold is fine, especially since you may be dominated, and there are straight and flush draws out that could kill your weak pair if you hit anyway. You could also be facing a raise from CO, or anyone else behind you.


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TAP? Tight Applicant? I propose TIP to mean Tight Passive and LOOP to mean Loose Passive
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hand 1: what if a none draw completing card falls? like 2c or 4s? or what if another T falls? is it still a fold?
 
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: You check-raised and he threebet. Youre playing limits I still wet myself thinking about, but where I come from that means you're toast. Im thinkin AA, KK, QQ (less likely because you have one). AT probably doesn't threebet your preflop. Then again, you're playing a very different type of player than I do.

Fold.

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 Hand 1: I definately dont fold this HU. AK plays this the same way. I almost donk bet here so he cant check behind.


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Hand 1: I definately dont fold this HU. AK plays this the same way. I almost donk bet here so he cant check behind.
A passive player doesn't play AK like that on the flop. I like the fold. The only 3 betting hand he beats is AK and JJ, maybe 99.
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Hand 1: I definately dont fold this HU. AK plays this the same way. I almost donk bet here so he cant check behind.
That was my thinking, but consider the range a 5% PFR is 3-betting. Then consider that AK has a bunch of outs and it's not as likely if he's really passive post-flop. Although some of thse guys really like to over-play AK.

Hand 2: The flop fold is horrible.
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Hand 2: The flop fold is horrible.
i agree. do you raise or call?
 
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call without a read
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Hand 2, you need 2 outs to call getting 20 to 1.
What 2 outs do you think you have?
There is also a probable flush and straight draw out there, so you most likely have neither the best hand, nor the best draw, therefore all money you are putting into the pot is just helping someone else's equity.
When the K comes and you are now getting 12.5 to 1, do you call again with no read?

I think the fold in hand 1 was much worse than the fold in hand 2, and I fold both these.

Hyper-I don't fold hand 1 if a blank falls on the turn(or a third T), and if I call the turn, I call the river.
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 The only way I see folding Hand 1 is after I donk bet the turn and I get raised.

For hand 2: I'll see the turn getting 22-1, he has 3-6 discounted outs with his overcards and a very thin backdoor straight draw. I'll fold the turn though.


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perhaps you should refer to this thread...
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?t=15624

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For hand 2: I'll see the turn getting 22-1, he has 3-6 discounted outs with his overcards and a very thin backdoor straight draw. I'll fold the turn though.
the saddest part about this was that i folded getting 20:1, and if i went to show down i woulda outkicked AT and took down the pot :'(
 
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Hand 1: You check-raised and he threebet. Youre playing limits I still wet myself thinking about, but where I come from that means you're toast. Im thinkin AA, KK, QQ (less likely because you have one). AT probably doesn't threebet your preflop. Then again, you're playing a very different type of player than I do.

Fold.

Ipoq: The problem with TIP and LOOP is that it leaves out the distinction between preflop and postflop. TAP - Tight Aggressive Passive. Tight, Aggressive preflop, Passive post flop.
wtf?

I didn't see that ANYWHERE else
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The only way I see folding Hand 1 is after I donk bet the turn and I get raised.
I like this line too. If it were 6 max, I might even consider a checkraise on the turn, just to maintain an agressive image.

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perhaps you should refer to this thread...
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Oh, I genuinely forgot about the 2 naked girls... I was talking about the little nurse. I never considered her very sinful...
fine...only for you though. now don't go lusting now or it's your own fault!
 
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