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Old 04-09-2005, 11:23 PM     Post subject: Some hands from yesterday #1 (permalink)  
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Some hands from yesterday

Hand 1

MP1 and MP2 are the table donators, they call...call...call with nadda

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A.
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 4, 8, 4 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 4 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (8.20 BB) 9 (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB


Hand 2

Three betting mullets is not my defalt play, but this guy was raising a TON of hands about 15% PFR. I had position and wanted to isolate.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 5 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 5, T, Q (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 6 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.70 BB) T (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.70 BB


Hand 3

UTG+2 has been calling down alot with Ax, button was solid

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, T.
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8, 9, 7 (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button calls.

River: (8.20 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB


Hand 4

No reads here, first orbit

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, K.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 caps, 5 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13.40 SB) 9, 8, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, UTG calls, Hero caps, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12.70 BB) 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

River: (15.70 BB) 2 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 18.70 BB



Hand 5

This one was interesting, the CO was terrible and bluffing tons of pots, and raising junk so I three bet to isolate. I butchered the turn, I should have raised to get the blind out if i was going to call down with Ace high

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
6 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6, 5, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, CO calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) T (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (8.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
CO bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Hand 6

UTG+1 Loose tricky player, not too bad though

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 4, 2, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB[/b]
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Old 04-09-2005, 11:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: most of the time i play like this too.

hand 2: i'm guessing they had AK.

hand 3: personally i muck ATs UTG. anywho, the rest is standard.

hand 4: standard. i slow down to a turn raise, however.

hand 5: looks like they hit the 10.

hand 6: fine.
 
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Old 04-10-2005, 06:31 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Yup
Hand 2: I would bet that river
Hand 3: Yup
Hand 4: Well played
Hand 5: Looks good to me.
Hand 6: I hate playing positions like this against players like that out of position. If he's really aggro just check/call post-flop. But that would be getting really cute...
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Old 04-10-2005, 06:32 AM #4 (permalink)  
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hand 3: personally i muck ATs UTG. anywho, the rest is standard.
Are you serious????
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yeah, AJs is my cut off...
too tight?

do you limp ATs or raise it?
 
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Old 04-10-2005, 04:38 PM #6 (permalink)  
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yeah, AJs is my cut off...
too tight?

do you limp ATs or raise it?
I used to always muck ATs UTG, but according to SSH, you should limp any suited cards above ten from early position. This includes ATs, KJs, and even QTs(all hands I used to muck UTG). After playing them for a while, it does seem like these hands could easily be small winners from early position, so you might be losing a bit of profit from mucking. SSH even says you should raise AJs UTG, which still seems a bit crazy to me.
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pocket pairs the only hands i open limp.
if i can't open raise anything else, i muck it.

which means, yes i raise AJs UTG.

exceptions to the rule are AA/KK/AKs....but usually i raise those anyway.
 
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Old 04-11-2005, 04:30 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: I usually check the turn here if I know these are going to call anyway. If you are bet into on the river then call if HU or fold if the other guy calls. I'm guessing these guys are sitting on baby pairs.

hand 2: I can disagree with this play here. Your hand isn't that strong to 3bet a habitual raisor; I wouldn't disagree with cold calling here. I dont see your reasoning for isolating him, considering you are on the button and everyone else has folded. Majority of 5/10 tables are tight anyway that a 3 bet would be unnecessary. I also think you sucked out on him with that river spade. He probablly has something JT or KT.

hand 3: No other way to play.

hand 4: Looks good, I'm guessing MP2 either has JJ or QQ or AK of diamonds and was 3 betting for his free card. Nice pot.

Hand 5: Given your read you didn't botch the turn.

Hand 6: Nothing you can do here. I bet the guy hit his set and filled up a boat on you.


More on Hand 3: I raise just about every time I'm gonna be in the hand, especially from EP. My vpip is 18 and PFR is running 12. 5/10 is a lot different than the loopy 2/4 and 3/6 games you guys are used to. Its aggressive. I raise ATs, KJs, KQo, AJs and AJo from EP only because theres a strong chance i can buy the blinds. And, by limping these hands you give control over to someone raising in LP with more marginal hands like 55 or 66. Also, the more you raise with marginal hands, the more likely you are going to be called when you actually have a hand. I rarely limp from EP, if I do its with A9s or KTs and praying for callers behind me. Possibly a medium pocket pair as well.

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do you limp ATs or raise it?
Usually raise. If the table is really loose, but tightens up to an EP raise from me or someone likes to raise worse hands with position in unraised pots I'll consider a limp.
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Old 04-12-2005, 07:19 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Jeff hand 2 he had AKos and I won the hand. Its funny, my vpip and my pfr % has gone up drastically since I jumped up. Im at about 17% and 11.5% and at 2/4 I was 15 8.5%. I was rereading HPFAP the other day and my style of play is drastically different from their recommended preflop play. They dont mind a cold call here and there, and the more I think about it, I really dont think at this level it is that bad an occasion. I think I fold a better hand often enough to aggressive raises enough to warrent a cc every once in a while. Most the time I just three bet though.


Hand results

1

MP1 A10
Mp2 A9 I lose

2

Utg+1 AKos I win

3

Utg+2 Ajos I win

4

MP2 QQ
UTG AA I lose

5

CO QJs I win


6

UTG+1 77 I win
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Hand 6 - As long as your read on this player isnt on the agressive side of tricky, can we stop and go this river? Assuming we give this player respect as a thinking player, hes raising AA-TT. We only fear a set here and if he whiffs overcards, we'd probably expect him to check through (even though he didnt this particular time).
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Hand 6 - As long as your read on this player isnt on the agressive side of tricky, can we stop and go this river? Assuming we give this player respect as a thinking player, hes raising AA-TT. We only fear a set here and if he whiffs overcards, we'd probably expect him to check through (even though he didnt this particular time).
Its not really a stop and go on the river, he just check/called. The way the hand played out the guy raised the turn like someone would with a 2 out there or larger pocket pair. Also, the river brought a flush possibility out there and I've seen people raise the turn on their runner runner flush draws. Check calling is a good play.


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Hand 6 - As long as your read on this player isnt on the agressive side of tricky, can we stop and go this river? Assuming we give this player respect as a thinking player, hes raising AA-TT. We only fear a set here and if he whiffs overcards, we'd probably expect him to check through (even though he didnt this particular time).
Its not really a stop and go on the river, he just check/called. The way the hand played out the guy raised the turn like someone would with a 2 out there or larger pocket pair. Also, the river brought a flush possibility out there and I've seen people raise the turn on their runner runner flush draws. Check calling is a good play.
Jeff, I know he didn't stop and go, but I was thinking this could be a good spot for it. I think a larger PP is unlikey as I see AA-TT raising preflop. Leading the river might get a better hand to fold or a worse hand to call. I wouldn't be surprised to see a hand similar to this get checked through on the river with AK, AQ, AJ. I don't think the check/call is that bad, I just wanted to see which could earn you more. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there.
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Jeff, I know he didn't stop and go, but I was thinking this could be a good spot for it. I think a larger PP is unlikey as I see AA-TT raising preflop. Leading the river might get a better hand to fold or a worse hand to call. I wouldn't be surprised to see a hand similar to this get checked through on the river with AK, AQ, AJ. I don't think the check/call is that bad, I just wanted to see which could earn you more. Just a thought I wanted to throw out there.
Well, its a good thought and you are right in trying to find out if it would work. This might work better at the 2/4 loopy tables but most likely you arent getting a free showdown here. If you think about it, why would the guy raise the turn but not bet/raise the river either? From my experience at 5/10, people that raise the turn usually do have a hand, and the times you call down and win its a blessing. I also believe if it wasnt HU there is a greater likelihood that it will get checked through, and then it would be better to try and rep that flush so that it wouldnt get checked through.


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If you think about it, why would the guy raise the turn but not bet/raise the river either? From my experience at 5/10, people that raise the turn usually do have a hand, and the times you call down and win its a blessing.
I'll play AK, AQ maybe AJ here similar to villian. I look at it, I have 2 overs and may have the best hand. If I'm going to call the river, why not raise the turn, check through the river (if we are HU). This way my 2 BB get me some folding equity instead of calling. I think villan's river bluff isn't going to be a common play from more advanced opponents.

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I also believe if it wasnt HU there is a greater likelihood that it will get checked through, and then it would be better to try and rep that flush so that it wouldnt get checked through.
I'm thinking the opposite way. You now have more people to beat on the river. What would another opponent be calling with?
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Room, at 5/10, the players are much trickier and will try to move you off your hand. I have found that there is a lot of flop check raises from the blinds and a lot of turn bets with ace high on a ragged board. On hand 6 leading into him sucks for a couple of reasons.

A. If he was semi bluffing with AK of clubs he will raise me
B. If he was flat out bluffing he will bet the river and I will win an extra bet
C. If he has a better hand I only lose one big bet on the river


The river is not the place to be pulling a stop in go, I believe it is a losing play in the long run.
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