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Old 01-18-2005, 01:40 PM     Post subject: Some hands from this morning #1 (permalink)  
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Same, good table...

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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with Q, K. UTG posts a blind of $3. UTG+1 posts a blind of $3. Fnord posts a blind of $3.
UTG (poster) raises, UTG+1 (poster) calls, MP1 calls, Fnord (poster) calls, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 4, Q, J (6 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 caps, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) 6 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

River: (14.16 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.16 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with K, K.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, SB calls, BB caps, CO calls, Fnord calls, SB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) J, 2, Q (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets, Fnord raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, CO caps, Fnord folds...


Different table, playing kinda tight...

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Preflop: Fnord is BB with 9, 7.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB raises, Fnord calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 5, 4, 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Fnord raises, SB 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Fnord raises, SB calls.

River: (9 BB) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with J, Q.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Fnord raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, CO folds, Fnord calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K, 6, Q (2 players)
BB bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB bets, Fnord calls.

River: (6.66 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 8.66 BB
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Old 01-18-2005, 02:53 PM #2 (permalink)  
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why didn't you call down the second hand? you're getting almost 11:1 to call the flop. you may be up against someone pumping the flush draw, or AQ, or possibly drawing nearly dead against JJ or QQ. how were you so sure?
 
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Old 01-18-2005, 03:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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#1
I understand this hand, but I'd like to change a few variables..

Had you not posted a blind would you be in the hand?

Were the pot 3-4 bets smaller would you still call it down?


#2
I would have called the flop bets..
But as I look at the hand more its down to "what card could come on the turn that I could raise?"
A King makes a mess of a hand, your looking to catch 2 runners to stay come out on top.

Am I thinking on the right line here?


#3
doesn't take alot for you to defend your blinds eh? saved by the turn..

#4
I would have pitched this on the turn.
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Old 01-18-2005, 05:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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#1
I understand this hand, but I'd like to change a few variables..

Had you not posted a blind would you be in the hand?
I'll cold call with KQs as the 3rd one in the hand a good chance others follow.

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Were the pot 3-4 bets smaller would you still call it down?
Meh, probably.


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I would have called the flop bets..
But as I look at the hand more its down to "what card could come on the turn that I could raise?"
A King makes a mess of a hand, your looking to catch 2 runners to stay come out on top.

Am I thinking on the right line here?
I have mixed feelings on this laydown too. But you hit the nail on the head.

Consider:
BB Capped pre-flop then check/3-bet the flop. Not a whole lot of hands play like that where I'm not on 2 outs. Toss in the rest of the field and I'm probably way behind (perhaps no outs!) or at best a little ahead.

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doesn't take alot for you to defend your blinds eh?
Against a SB steal you should defend with any hand that's not hopeless. Position and the value of making a SB steal difficult offsets having weaker cards.

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saved by the turn..
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#4
I would have pitched this on the turn.
Why?
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:39 PM #5 (permalink)  
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#4
I would have pitched this on the turn.
Why?
I have a hard time beliving i'm ahead with QJ against someone who can 3bet from the BB.

I didn't realize your on the button and this could be perceived as a blind steal. Doesn't change a whole lot for me though.

I would have raised the flop.

I'd still consider folding the turn, or taking the free card.
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Old 01-18-2005, 07:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1... high variance, but probably +EV

Hand 2... that's a heart breaker. AA/JJ/QQ all have you covered, not to mention straight and flush draws. Probably only 1 guy has you beat, but 1 is enough

Hand 3... read dependent, and I think counter read dependent. He is probably stealing, and probably knows you know he's stealing, so he 3-bets. Turn makes it irrelevant because you beat anything but 68 or set.

Hand 4... With no read, I think I just lay this down preflop. Given that you call, AND you hit mid pair... I guess call it down, although I suspect you are beat.
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Hand 2... that's a heart breaker. AA/JJ/QQ all have you covered, not to mention straight and flush draws. Probably only 1 guy has you beat, but 1 is enough
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Old 01-18-2005, 09:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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From a NL perspective

1. All you beat is a bluff

2. Good lay down, one of them has you beat

3. Saved by the turn

4. Once again all you beat is a bluff
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Old 01-18-2005, 09:27 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You NL guys give people way too much credit...

I'll post results when I get home, but for a teaser I didn't have the best hand on the flop in only one of those 4 hands...
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Old 01-19-2005, 01:43 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: UTG had T T, UTG+1 had K T, much to my surprise MHIG!

Hand 2: CO had K Q, BB had A T , turn as 3, river was K. Saved a lot of money, but folded a lot of equity on the flop.

Hand 3: SB had A 7 MHIG

Hand 4: BB had A K MHING
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Old 01-19-2005, 02:06 AM #11 (permalink)  

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Should have reraised #4 on the flop imo. He 3-bet you preflop so he's 99% going to lead out with a bet. Or, if the guy is horrible, you could lay down your midpair as the hands that a horrible player would reraise with in the bb are quite limited in my experience and I've never seen a bad player 3-bet for deceptive purposes.
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