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01-09-2005, 02:58 AM Post subject: Some hands I think I played well..

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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is BB with J

, T

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Fnord checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J

, T

, 7

(6 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, SB calls, Fnord calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9

(4 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, Fnord calls.

River: (9 BB) J

(4 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 raises, SB folds, Fnord 3-bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 caps, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with J

, K

.
UTG folds, Button calls, Fnord raises, BB calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB) T

, 8

, 3

(3 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, Button calls, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6 BB) Q

(3 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets, Button calls, Fnord calls.

River: (9 BB) A

(3 players)
Fnord checks, BB bets, Button raises, Fnord 3-bets, BB caps, Button calls, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

UTG+1 is REALLY tight and TAggy

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is BB with A

, A

. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO (poster) calls, Button folds, SB calls, Fnord 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 caps, CO calls, SB calls, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (20 SB) A

, 9

(5 players)
SB checks, Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, SB folds, Fnord calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (12 BB) 4

(4 players)
Fnord checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, CO calls, Fnord raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

River: (18 BB) 7

(3 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

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01-09-2005, 05:08 AM

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Is the reason you didn't raise on the flop on your first hand because you were not going to be getting of flush draws anyways, and you were going to check raise(or bet the turn) if a safe card hit? Just trying to get into your head.

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01-09-2005, 05:13 AM

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i was wondering the same thing for hand 1. what is the logic behind your decision to check/call the flop?

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01-09-2005, 07:23 AM

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basically....

flop has 6 small bets.
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls,
so that's 9 small bets and it is 1 for Fnord to call.

if Fnord raises, that's 11 small bets, and everyone after is getting at least 11:1 to call

another reason why is because if Fnord raises the flop, he might not be able to raise the turn because people might get afraid and "check to the raiser" and instead of getting TWO big bets from everyone, Fnord only gets 1.

on the turn a horrible horrible card came. 3 to a flush, 4 to a straight. getting 8:1 to call the turn had enough implied odds to hit his full house.

river is trivial...just to be safe i may have bet this instead of checking. but if UTG was very aggressive than i check.

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01-09-2005, 10:50 PM

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I like the way you played these I would have played a few a little diff but in no way do I mean better :P

Hand 1 I take it you plan to CR the turn, once the flush card hits its risky to raise, I would have bet out and tried to get in a 3 bet.

Hand 2 I would have CRed the flop but again played well.

Hand 3 Played perfect, I can't see how you could have got any more money.

As I said these differences are not supposed to come over as the better way to play, I liked the way you played these

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01-10-2005, 05:32 AM

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You would've check raised the flop on hand 2, Toasty?! You were the aggressor preflop, you're first to act postflop (meaning you'll first to act on the turn as well), and you have no pair and no draw (just runner runners). I understand Fnord's play, but I don't understand yours, unless you meant to say a different hand.

Since you don't list what they had, I'm guessing you want us to test our reads again, Fnord? The reads aren't that important since you nearly have the nuts on every hand by the river, but its fun anyway.

Hand 1 for UTG+1 is the trickiest read of the 3 hands. TT, 77, or the A high flush. I guess if I have to pick one I'll go with the nut flush, trying to keep you in on the turn, which didn't exactly work out, and they're just putting you on the J on the river.

Hand 2 I'll say that the button hit an A (maybe on a flush draw or with another pair), and the BB had AT.

Hand 3 is easy for UTG+1. AK.

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01-10-2005, 05:48 AM

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let's see if i got them readin skillz...

hand 1:
UTG has a flush, probably just a medium flush like 9 high.
UTG+1 has trip jacks

hand 2:
BB has AT
Button has AK

hand 3:
UTG+1 has KK or QQ
CO probably has a pocket pair that he can't let go of

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01-10-2005, 11:19 AM

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In hand 1
I have top two on a VERY draw heavy board. My plan was the check and see where a bet came from. I figured someone had to have caught enough of the board to take a stab at it. When the bet came from immediatly behind I lost the chance to make anyone face 2 cold and decided to wait for a blank turn. From there the hand played itself.

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01-10-2005, 02:54 PM

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Some laydowns from last night...

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Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 5

, 5

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 5

, 2

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 2

(4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord folds, UTG folds.

River: (6.66 BB) 8

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

MP1 is loose/passive

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Preflop: Fnord is MP3 with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Fnord 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 5

, 7

, J

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 8

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Fnord bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, Fnord calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.66 BB) J

(3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Fnord folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.66 BB

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with J

, J

.
UTG folds, Fnord raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls $2 (All-In).

Flop: (7.66 SB) 8

, Q

, 2

(4 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Fnord bets, CO raises, SB folds, Fnord folds.

Turn: (5.33 BB) T

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (5.33 BB) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: 5.33 BB

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01-10-2005, 03:05 PM

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wow....
those laydowns....
1st one i can probably lay down....but the 2nd and 3rd one i don't think i can lay those down.

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01-10-2005, 03:54 PM

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You must have had some nice reads to make them lay downs 8-)

Hand 1 is a smallish pot so I can understand why you folded.

Hand 2 I take it he liked to CR top pair on the turn, he might have 2 pair and the jack might help you, for the size of the pot I call this river everytime, you only have to win 8%ish of the time to break even.

Hand 3 player dependent some i would call down others i'd fold.

Micheal : yeah i'd go for a CR, I find in blind wars the BB will raise a lot of the times they miss the flop with nothing thinking you are doing the same, if I miss and just call the raise you have to fold if unimproved to a turn bet as the pot is small, a CR gives the impression you are strong. This isn't my usual line though, if i consider the player weak i'll just bet out.

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01-10-2005, 04:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

Hand 2 I take it he liked to CR top pair on the turn, he might have 2 pair and the jack might help you, for the size of the pot I call this river everytime, you only have to win 8%ish of the time to break even.

I don't think I'm good here 8%ish.

UTG+2 looks like top pair holding on for dear life and MP1 had the goods on the turn. In retrospect I should have ditched on the turn if I was going to ditch. Hitting call with the overpair was reflexive.

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01-10-2005, 05:38 PM

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Table texture is tight/passive with maybe a loose spot or two

Pre-flop 3-bet is from a 10% or less PFR player

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with J

, J

.
Fnord raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, Fnord calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (16.33 SB) 6

, 2

, 7

(5 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Button raises, Fnord folds, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls.

Turn: (10.16 BB) 4

(2 players)
CO checks, Button bets, CO calls.

River: (12.16 BB) 7

(2 players)
CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB

Results in white below:
CO has 8c 8h (two pair, eights and sevens).
Button has Ks Kh (two pair, kings and sevens).
Outcome: Button wins 12.16 BB.

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01-10-2005, 05:54 PM

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One last one...

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Preflop: Fnord is SB with T

, A

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, Fnord completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 8

, 3

, T

(3 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, Fnord 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J

(3 players)
Fnord bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, Fnord folds.

River: (11 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ts Jd (two pair, jacks and tens).
MP1 has Jh Td (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: MP1 wins 6.50 BB. BB wins 6.50 BB.

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01-10-2005, 11:36 PM

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So what did the players in the first post have, Fnord?

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01-11-2005, 12:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Some laydowns from last night...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 5

, 5

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 5

, 2

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 2

(4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord folds, UTG folds.

River: (6.66 BB) 8

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Am I missing something here? Why are you folding the second nut hand on the turn?

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01-11-2005, 12:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Some laydowns from last night...

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP2 with 5

, 5

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 5

, 2

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 2

(4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Fnord folds, UTG folds.

River: (6.66 BB) 8

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

Am I missing something here? Why are you folding the second nut hand on the turn?

anyone with a 2 has Fnord screwed. anyone with a higher pocket pair has him screwed. the pot is small, and is not worth fighting over.

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01-11-2005, 12:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

anyone with a 2 has Fnord screwed. anyone with a higher pocket pair has him screwed. the pot is small, and is not worth fighting over.

5's full of 2's beats 2's full of anything. The only card to fear is the case 2, correct? Other than that, someone with a higher pocket pair will have to spike a 2-outer.

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01-11-2005, 12:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

anyone with a 2 has Fnord screwed. anyone with a higher pocket pair has him screwed. the pot is small, and is not worth fighting over.

5's full of 2's beats 2's full of anything. The only card to fear is the case 2, correct? Other than that, someone with a higher pocket pair will have to spike a 2-outer.

hmmm you're right, guess i need to go back to beginner books on how to read the board

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01-11-2005, 01:41 AM

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Whoops...

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01-11-2005, 02:09 AM

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I'd never have laid down that full on 5s, even in NL.

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01-11-2005, 03:27 PM

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Hand 1: UTG+1 had 6

and seriously needs to lay off the crack pipe
Hand 2: BB had J

for a worse straight and button had Q

for two pair that refused to fold
Hand 3: UTG+1 had K

CO had 8

, don't let that Ace stop you from taking your PP to the river!

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01-11-2005, 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: UTG+1 had 6

and seriously needs to lay off the crack pipe
Hand 2: BB had J

for a worse straight and button had Q

for two pair that refused to fold
Hand 3: UTG+1 had K

CO had 8

, don't let that Ace stop you from taking your PP to the river!

hmmm....completely off for hands 1 and 2, but on the dot for hand 3....guess 1 for 3 in readin skillz is pretty good...

hey whenever we have interesting hands that we don't need hand analysis but would be good to test other's reading skills i think it'd be a good idea to post those hands!

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01-12-2005, 07:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Am I missing something here? Why are you folding the second nut hand on the turn?

Nice catch mo, for some reason I read it like everyone else that the 2 counterfitted his hand. I'm hoping its because I was reading a forum, I was just thinking 22255 for some reason. I think it's because I'm so used to seeing higher trips on the board ruining your trips...

i.e. 77 flop k7k turn k . . .

On a diff note how's the gym mentioned you broke your benching record yet ? I finally managed to get my ass back to the gym, ached like crazy after the first day but sure did feel good to be back...

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01-13-2005, 07:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1: UTG+1 had 6

and seriously needs to lay off the crack pipe
Hand 2: BB had J

for a worse straight and button had Q

for two pair that refused to fold
Hand 3: UTG+1 had K

CO had 8

, don't let that Ace stop you from taking your PP to the river!

Wow! I get the 2nd hand, but either these players are EXTREMELY fishy or reading limit is 100% different from reading NL (especially with the tight play I'm use to), if not pratically impossible to put a person on a specific hand in most cases. Probably a combination of both.

Its hard for me to believe that players as dumb as the guy from the first hand actually exist.

And yeah ... I thought you and Toasty were on crack for saying the 55 fold was a good one, as I did notice that it'd beat everything but a 2 or 88, but I figured you guys must be right due to the pot size if you both agreed. I don't consider myself worthy of criticizing either of you guys in limit, let alone on something you both agree on.

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01-13-2005, 08:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by michael1123

Tell me about it. In my first hour or so today AA-JJ all got cracked. Then I had all sorts of random hands hold up unimproved on boards that screamed "You're BEAT." I would bet the flop, follow through on the turn for some reason then check the river expecting to lose and win!

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01-13-2005, 10:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

You have just described my night, I'm either getting called down by Ace high when I havn't played a hand for ages or getting my KK cracked to a "2 pair draw" . . .

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