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mcatdog

03-12-2006, 01:45 AM Post subject: Some hands from the blinds

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I think I'm playing very horribly from the blinds and costing myself money. Here are some hands I'd like comments on all streets.

1)
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Preflop: Hero is BB with T

, Q

. MP2 posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5

, 7

, 2

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 3

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.75 BB) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Preflop: I'm still trying to figure out which hands I have the pot odds to call with from the blinds but this one seems pretty easy getting 7:1 right?

Flop: Should I pretty much always lead the flop when I flop a flush draw with two overs?

Turn: I hated this as soon as I did it, I didn't have enough equity in the pot to be doing this at all, and I scared the SB away.

2) Standard? What should I have done if CO had made a standard continuation bet?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

, A

.
5 folds, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9

, 8

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3 BB) K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (3 BB) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

3) Should I keep betting here until someone gives me a reason not to? The BB in this hand was terrible by the way.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K

, 6

.
4 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 6

, 2

, 9

(4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 folds, Button folds.

Turn: (3 BB) T

(2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

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elipsesjeff

03-12-2006, 02:19 AM

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The only one I fold preflop is Hand 2. Axo OOP is most likely dominated when multiway facing a PFR.

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03-12-2006, 02:29 AM

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hand 1: fine

hand 2: If CO is known steal, I guess the preflop is ok, bet the flop, OESFD.

hand 3: bet the flop because you have 2nd pair, bet the turn because you have the flush draw, bet the river cause you have the 2nd nut

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Xanadu

03-12-2006, 07:23 PM

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You are right that betting the turn in hand 1 is probably a mistake. I don't think the pot is big enough to be worth protecting your hand (different story with a hand like AQ or AK. I agree with checking hand 2 on the flop. Your draw, even though and OESFD is a weak one. The flush draw is very weak and you have the bottom end of the straight. The only cards that you really want to see are the Th and 5h. Though the 5s are probably clean.

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03-12-2006, 08:24 PM

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Ive seen the turn on hand 1 get checked through a LOT. "oh noes he's trying to c/r me! I check behind" whether it happened or not this time, I'd check/call the turn.

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03-12-2006, 08:48 PM

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Ive seen the turn on hand 1 get checked through a LOT. "oh noes he's trying to c/r me! I check behind" whether it happened or not this time, I'd check/call the turn.

I play Hand 1 the same way everytime. I don't like the check on the turn at all, just doesn't 'feel' right to me. I dont mind losing the SB either, it may clean up some of your pair outs if you have any and you get the same amount of money in the pot either way.

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bencathers

03-12-2006, 11:23 PM

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Hand 2 you want to get a lot of money in on the flop... bet it and re-raise and make your betting decision on the turn

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03-13-2006, 04:10 AM

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Ive seen the turn on hand 1 get checked through a LOT. "oh noes he's trying to c/r me! I check behind" whether it happened or not this time, I'd check/call the turn.

Hmm. fair point. I'm paying the same and sacrificing folding equity for a chance for a free card.

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03-13-2006, 07:12 AM

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Hand 2 you want to get a lot of money in on the flop... bet it and re-raise and make your betting decision on the turn

Why? My draw isn't very strong at all.

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03-13-2006, 08:06 AM

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Yeah I agree. This draw looks way stronger than it is. You might as well consider this a 5-6 outer. The 2 that complete your straight flush, the eight that complete your straight but discounted due to redraws (or being totally dead already).

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03-13-2006, 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Quote:

Originally Posted by bencathers

Hand 2 you want to get a lot of money in on the flop... bet it and re-raise and make your betting decision on the turn

Why? My draw isn't very strong at all.

I'm always a fan of OESFDs and maximizing their value. You may be able to get the A of hearts to join in (which if you hit one of the two sf cards, you can really milk for all the value) as well as pure aggression (even better at the high stakes) could get the guy to fold

Also, when you show that much strength/aggression against a pfr in which it may be a steal, you can get a fold on the later streets if you miss.. plus I've seen a lot of the times a pfr steal attempt where the person stays in on the flop, but is folding to the turn/river... milk it for what its worth and earn a few extra bets

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03-13-2006, 10:33 PM

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Well, there is about a 60% chance that one of your opponents holds a heart. So your 7 flush outs are worth about 2.75. The 5h is a clean out. The Th is worth about .9. The other 3 5s might be worth 2 outs (due to the flush redraw and possibly being dead already). The other 2 Aces and 3 Tens are probably worth around 2.5. So, I come up with a hand worth about 9 outs. So, you are theoretically justified to bet here, but I don't think it is wise. The reason for this is that unless you hit a 5 or the Th you will be behind almost as often as you are ahead. With the coordinated nature of the board, you are unlikely to get paid off when actually ahead, and too likely to be behind if called if you do hit many of your outs. It might be worth a shot if you think you can take it down, but I don't think you are making much with this hand going to showdown.

bencathers

03-14-2006, 03:10 AM

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At 2/4, its a flop bet... and if he continued the aggression through the hand, he may of picked up extra bets from the flop/turn... instead it turned into a hand with little value. Plus, if mcat is 3 bet on the flop you can get away from the hand much easier...

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