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rubixstreub
Old 11-08-2005, 04:06 AM     Post subject: Some Hands .5-1 #1 (permalink)  
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HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A, 9, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero raises, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB

Do you cap the flop with QQ? Villian is TA A.

HAND 2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, K.
1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.75 BB) J (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB


HAND 3:

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, T.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) A, 9, 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 5 BB


HAND 4:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, A.
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1.25 (All-In), MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) Q, 5, A (4 players, 1 all-in)
MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB
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Old 11-08-2005, 05:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1: why not cap preflop? How does QQ stand up against a range of possible hands for your opponent?
Once the A comes on the flop, now how are you doing? What is the purpose of a checkraise heads up?
When the J comes on the turn, how is your hand looking? what did he 3 bet with? What of this range do you beat?
What is your plan on the river? What do you do if raised?

2: What similarities are there between this hand and hand 1? what are the differences? Why did you play it this way?

3: Why did you bet the turn?
Why did you check the river?

4: why not 3 bet the flop? why did you bet the turn? What is he raising with on the flop?

What goes through your mind while you are playing a hand? How do you decide what the best play is at the time?
What should you be considering? Are you doing this?
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1: why not cap preflop?
my mistake

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How does QQ stand up against a range of possible hands for your opponent
I'd put him on AK, AJs+, JJ+

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Once the A comes on the flop, now how are you doing?
Likely behind.

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What is the purpose of a checkraise heads up?
rep the ace, I was looking to be raised back... are you just calling this down as soon as he bets the flop? What's your line in this situation.

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When the J comes on the turn, how is your hand looking?
Again I was betting in hopes of being reraised to give up the hand, I'm now guessing the better line is to call his flop bet and see what he does on the turn and give up unimproved?

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What is your plan on the river? What do you do if raised?
finally give it up...

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2: What similarities are there between this hand and hand 1? what are the differences?
fairly similar, although he showed no initial strength, he's a loose player with position, so his likely holdings easily could include a worse Q, a flush draw, or even a 4 are all possible on this level.

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Why did you play it this way?
bet and show strength until they show it back... I've seen players like this guy show down on draws, low PP, and even bottom pair, I don't give him credit for the ace...
Again, what's your line in a situation like this?

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3: Why did you bet the turn?
not sure, I guess I thought I could get him to fold...
in hindsight I'd probably check the flop, hope it gets checked through, maybe get more limpers, or try for a free card play.

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Why did you check the river?
I had nothing... but I see your point... he could be on the draw as well.... interesting...

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4: why not 3 bet the flop?
I did

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why did you bet the turn?
because two pair or better here usually calls and looks to raise the turn... I figured he had a weaker ace.

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What is he raising with on the flop?
a wide range


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What goes through your mind while you are playing a hand?
Am I ahead, behind? What does the villian have. How likely is he just drawing to a better hand. Do I need to protect here or build a pot? I'm probably behind, but do I have odds to improve...

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How do you decide what the best play is at the time?
what play has the best expectation....

[quote}What should you be considering? Are you doing this?[/quote]
not sure, but judging by all the questions it doesn't seem so.

Thanks for looking, but I don't think I have it in me to answer another entire post of questions .
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Old 11-09-2005, 12:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I guess what I would say is
1) Don't be afraid of folding the best hand, if you are behind your opponents range of hands. Especially with a pocket pair your odds of improving are slim.
2) don't be obsessed with finding the most effective way of winning the pot. Sometimes your most +EV play is folding, even with a "premium hand."

The post of questions was because each of these hands are very similar. You are out of position with a hand that is possibly best.
In hand 1 I don't like the check raise. I think bet/folding to a raise is the best line here.
hand 2 I will often check fold the turn or bet the river. What we know about our opponent makes a huge difference.
I think check call on the river is only correct if you think you will have to call a raise on the river i.e. if your opponent is capable of raising with a worse hand. or if no worse hand will call a bet, but a worse hand may bet if checked to. (this hand is a good example of that, as you may get a bluff from a missed draw.)
hand 3 the turn bet is -EV if your opponent won't fold. If you think there's a >20% chance your opponent will fold a better hand, you should bet the river also.
Hand 4 you called the flop raise, then donked the turn. There are many ways to play this hand, I was asking your reasoning for your play. You said in the post above you 3 bet the flop, but that's not what the HH says. a flop 3bet would make the turn bet make more sense.

Reading through the hand histories your thoughts seem scattered.
Good job answering my questions. I just wanted to make a point of the questions that should be running through your head every time you play a hand.
(But don't outthink yourself )
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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thanks a lot for responding Demi. I think your questions were very helpful- thank you for taking the time to ask them and making me think about my decisions. Also, thanks for reading my responses are trying to follow my logic. I was getting worried you had abandoned me.

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