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Old 01-24-2006, 05:23 PM     Post subject: Some guidelines for the numbers in PT? #1 (permalink)  
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Hello.
I used to play a lot of sit n go's but i'm switching over to limit poker to expand my overall game and keep my intrest level up. So i've been playing low limit ring games at a full table.
What are some guildlines for Vol put money in the pot, preflop raise %, BB/100 hands, and things of that nature. I only have about 2000 hands so far so I know the sample size is small, and i'm going to take the numbers as guidelines.

Thanks!

Right now i'm at
13.61% vol put money in
5.71 % preflop raise
7.04 BB/100 hands
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1st number: make it bigger
2nd number: make it bigger
3rd number: don't care
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:10 AM #3 (permalink)  
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How about some blind numbers and your WtSD and W@SD, that would be nice.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:25 AM #4 (permalink)  
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VPIP should be somewhere around 18%
PFR should be somewhere around 8%
Your BB/100 doesn't matter
You w2sd should be somewhere around 35%
Your W$@SD should be somewhere above 50% (your w2sd will dictate this.)

Those are good "ballpark" figures. I'm sure someone will chime in here saying that 18% is too tight and that you should aim for 20%. I'm sure someone else will say aim for 17%. I will tell them all to STFU. Ballpark, those are good for low limit full ring.
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Note though, that these percentages are a RESULT, not a goal. You don't "aim for 20% VPIP" -- by opening up your hand selection in position to maximize your profit, your VPIP will go up. You don't "aim to raise preflop 8%", you understand why and where you CAN raise preflop more so that your percentage will BE 8%. These are, again, an end not a means.
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Old 01-25-2006, 12:39 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I agree with the last 2 posts by euphoricism

Also a very important stat is aggression factor. This is basically how many tims you raised to how many times you called. Should be slightly above 2. I used to be a nut and had mine over 3 for a while but then I took some pills and started calling here and there.

I think this is something most new limit players have a problem with. You have got to be throwin money out like wild man! bet bet bet! if you can't bet, consider folding (check/fold) call is a last resort.
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call is a last resort.
Not really, its a very good technique against agressive players who bet, wont call raises. Its kind of like saying never cold call, but there are definately times when it correct to cold call.
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13.61% vol put money in
5.71 % preflop raise
7.04 BB/100 hands
VP$IP should be closer to 20%;but that will vary based on table conditions.

PFR should be in the 5%-7% range so this is acceptable for now.Again table dynamics will vary.

BB/100 is high for the short term;this will drop as time goes on of course though.Will most likely dip to the 2-3 BB/100 range.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:02 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Thanks for all the advice so far. I'm not at my home computer right now or i'd post up the other numbers I have about the showdown.

Until then, how many hands of poker should I have played until I can start feeling confident about the information it gives me on myself? 10,000? I know more is always better for stats.

Also, to the person who was talking about don't play trying to raise the numbers to fit in, I know that. I just wanted to get a general idea of if i'm playing too tight or not aggresive enough, etc.
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Old 01-26-2006, 03:11 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I think 10k is a pretty good # for seeing if a lot of your overall percentages are in line. I say this from experience because my Vpip and PFR% have not fluctuated more than 1% between 4k and 9k hands.

As far as your winrate, you need a lot more ... some people throw out numbers like 200k.
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Old 01-26-2006, 05:34 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah no problem. Youre a bit too tight, don't worry about "being aggressive" I think thats a mistake a lot of newbies tend to make. "I gotta bet big to win big!" nah. The agression will work itself out. In time. Learn about maximizing value and minimizing loss. Its just like investing.

My biggest mistake when I was in your shoes was not enough raising on the flop. I'm not sure if that applies to you (without seeing any hands) but keep it in mind. Its cheaper to raise the flop if you want to find out where you are.

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Old 01-29-2006, 06:21 AM #12 (permalink)  
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OK sorry about the delay. I've been away from my home computer with poker tracker on it.

my WentTSD% is 32.69%
my WonASD% is 49.67%
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thats 'bout normal numbers. It'll fluctuate a lot, so don't worry about it too much.
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