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thenonsequitur
Old 06-03-2005, 07:23 AM     Post subject: Some full ring hands #1 (permalink)  
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I'm normally a 6-max player, and haven't played a full ring game in months. I decided to try some low limit full ring today just to see where I was at. I'm not used to the slowness of full ring and may have overcompensated for it. On the other hand I am also used to being aggressive in 6-max and may have been too aggressive for full ring.

Anyway, I have a few hands posted below that I'd like input on. Feel free to rip my plays apart; I'm sure I made several mistakes.


HAND 1

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2, 5.
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 4, 3, A (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 folds, MP3 caps, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB



HAND 2

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 7. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero completes, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7, 6, 3 (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (10 BB) 8 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (13 BB) 2 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 14 BB



HAND 3


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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, J.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T, A, 7 (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 4 (3 players)
MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.75 BB) 4 (3 players)
MP1 bets, CO folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB



HAND 4

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3, 3.
Hero calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 7, 6, 6 (3 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I don't like your flop line don't get cute

Hand 2: looks ok to me

Hand 3: turn might be a goot place to bet out again representing the Ace (this is getting cute but if you think they will fold then go for it... just don't get cute too offten at 1/2...)

Hand 4: WTF is that limp raise with a 33? I guess with the chosen line PF (stupid IMO) a raise is a must on the flop, turn looks ok given your PF action, might was well shut your eyes and bet the river also if you're going to play this way on the other streets... On this hand I think the bettor line is calling PF, and calling the flop if not improved by the turn and his still betting into you let it go...
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Old 06-03-2005, 07:34 AM #3 (permalink)  
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So you're making fancy plays to force opponents who make all sorts of horrible errors make errors? Consider, the primary error of our opponents is playing too many hands (or later on, too few hands) and calling (or later on, raising) too much. How do your lines win the max against that sort of player?

IMHO, your lines are predictably tricky.
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IMHO, your lines are predictably tricky.
Why get tricky with players that play too many hands and will pay you off majority of the time when you play it fast and aggressive? Personally I think that you can make more BB in most cases by beating it like the hand it is, the 1/2 game in most cases is as bad as the 0.5/1 nothing much changes from the site I played 1/2 on to 0.5/1 bets just double…
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Old 06-03-2005, 08:01 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the advice pokerfanatic and fnord. I have an additional question:

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Hand 4: WTF is that limp raise with a 33? ... with the chosen line PF (stupid IMO)
The initial limp I figured I'd get enough callers to justify it and not likely to be raised since the table was pretty loose passive. When BB raised, my logic was: BB is very loose pre-flop, and I thought MP3 would fold to a 3-bet. I wanted this hand heads-up with position against the BB. Given these factors, is this play still terrible?
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Old 06-03-2005, 08:06 AM #6 (permalink)  
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The initial limp I figured I'd get enough callers to justify it and not likely to be raised since the table was pretty loose passive. When BB raised, my logic was: BB is very loose pre-flop, and I thought MP3 would fold to a 3-bet. I wanted this hand heads-up with position against the BB. Given these factors, is this play still terrible?
Include reads next time.

MP3 will rarely fold for 2sb at this level, particulalry without a read.

BB might be a loose player, but might be a tight raiser. Many players are particularly tight raising out of the BB.
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Old 06-03-2005, 10:30 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Bet the flop, you can't be sure someone will bet it for you. These are the wrong opponents to slowplay.

Hand 2: I don't know about preflop, I'd probably complete the SB but fold when BB raises. You're still getting 13-1 but your implied odds are so much worse. This makes sense right?

I'd bet the flop, check/raise is the wrong move here. You don't want to trap players and build a pot with a marginal hand. Bet and hope the PFR raises so you can protect your hand.

Hand 3: Looks good.

Hand 4: Just call the preflop raise. Post-flop looks good.
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Old 06-03-2005, 06:25 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Thanks for the advice pokerfanatic and fnord. I have an additional question:

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Hand 4: WTF is that limp raise with a 33? ... with the chosen line PF (stupid IMO)
The initial limp I figured I'd get enough callers to justify it and not likely to be raised since the table was pretty loose passive. When BB raised, my logic was: BB is very loose pre-flop, and I thought MP3 would fold to a 3-bet. I wanted this hand heads-up with position against the BB. Given these factors, is this play still terrible?
your not getting anyone preflop to fold at the .5/1 tables if they already contributed money.. doesnt matter if they cold call 3 small bets when back to them, they call.

the 2/4 10 max, you might get away with it.
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