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Old 07-11-2005, 06:38 AM     Post subject: Some 15/30 Hands #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
UTG calls, Hero raises, 5 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5, T, Q [color:#0000FF](3 players)[/color]
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Ts Ac (three of a kind, tens).
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: UTG wins 10.50 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A.
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, 5, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, SB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 caps, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (15.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Jd Td (straight, jack high).
Hero has Ac As (straight, nine high).
MP1 has 7h 7d (straight, nine high).
Outcome: SB wins 18.50 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K.
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) J, 5, 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.83 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Kh (high card, ace).
UTG+1 has 2d 4d (high card, jack).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J, T, 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 9 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 4s Qs (one pair, fours).
Hero has Jd Ad (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 12.50 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J, K.
5 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.66 SB) 8, 2, J (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button calls, BB calls $7 (All-In).

Turn: (9.06 BB) 6 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (11.06 BB) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 13.06 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8s Qs (one pair, eights).
Hero has Js Kh (one pair, jacks).
Button has 8h 7h (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.06 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 4, 4.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB raises, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 3, 8, 4 (5 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (10 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, MP1 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (19 BB) J (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Jh Th (two pair, jacks and tens).
Hero has 4c 4s (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 21 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, T.
4 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.66 SB) 6, Q, K (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.33 BB) A (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, MP2 calls, Hero caps, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (21.33 BB) Q (3 players)
BB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.33 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Kh Kc (full house, kings full of queens).
MP2 has 8h Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Jc Ts (straight, ace high).
Outcome: BB wins 24.33 BB.


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Old 07-11-2005, 06:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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A lot of those hands look good, but on your 44 hand, did you not feel that the set was worth a value raise vs the donkbet?

Oh yeah, good slowdown on the final hand
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Old 07-11-2005, 06:51 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 That 44 hand you are right I did miss a bet. But, I think the player was like a 45 VPIP 5 PFR <1 Agg kind of player and I really did expect him to have the flush.

The Last hand I was praying for the board to not pair. ...Damn.

Even after all this I still had close to a 40 BB day.


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Old 07-11-2005, 09:42 AM #4 (permalink)  
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that's some fishy ass stuff happening there. I look forward to upping stakes. I'm playing 3/6 right now quad tabling.

I'm curious how solid 15/30 is? mostly sharks or are there ppl like that guy re raising on the river with 4 high.

Also how is 5/10?

all your hands looked well played, a little aggressive preflop with certain hands like j10 that i wouldn't of been, but i'm sure you were playing your table.
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Idon't like calling down with AK (in a full game). I think this is a loss in the long run. The times you are not behind you will often split.
Everything else looks pretty standard.
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Old 07-11-2005, 01:05 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Jeff,

Well played hands. Here are my few comments/questions.

Hand 3: I'm assuming you have some read here on UTG+1. If he is a standard player, the best we can hope for here is a split with another AK.

Hand 6: Why no 3-bet on the flop?

Hand 7: Question regarding the free card play. I have no experience at the PP15 game but from hands I've seen posted here and at 2+2, it looks like many players will 3bet and lead. Any thoughts on raising for a free card while on a draw?
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that's some fishy ass stuff happening there. I look forward to upping stakes. I'm playing 3/6 right now quad tabling.

I'm curious how solid 15/30 is? mostly sharks or are there ppl like that guy re raising on the river with 4 high.

Also how is 5/10?

all your hands looked well played, a little aggressive preflop with certain hands like j10 that i wouldn't of been, but i'm sure you were playing your table.
5/10 full is not a cake walk. The play there is super tight, mostly from the 3/6 rocks moving up too scared to jump to 15/30 where the real action is. If you are quading 3/6 full right now you should start learning the 6 max game. Then move up to 5/10 6 max then you'll be more than qualified for the 15/30 game.

15/30 can be tricky play, most of the time its retarded aggression but others its pretty solid. I use Poker Edge to make sure I'm sitting at a good table with minimal rocks/tags/lags. Position is key too.


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Idon't like calling down with AK (in a full game). I think this is a loss in the long run. The times you are not behind you will often split.
Everything else looks pretty standard.
Against a standard 3-bet here what do you think he would have? Why should I fold when both my overs are most likely good?

AK will win its fair share unimproved, just like baby pockets against a PFR.


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Hand 3: I'm assuming you have some read here on UTG+1. If he is a standard player, the best we can hope for here is a split with another AK.
Not really, my PE stats shows he is the 40 VPIP type with PFR of 5 with Agg of 1. However, on this board against a 3-bettor the average player has AQ-AK, and TT-AA. Some bad players will three bet AJ but is very few and far between. Considering I had AQ beat and I split with AK, I was mostly worried about a high Pocket pair. My overs were good on the river and more and more on this level the players of this calibur are more likely to check behind the river with a made yet weak hand than value bet. That allowed me to call the river, however, I knew on the flop I was calling it down for showdown.

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Hand 6: Why no 3-bet on the flop?
My standard line against aggression with a powerhouse. I wanted the Button and UTG to remain in the hand and my hand is pretty well disguised. The flush draw in this case isn't going anywhere so I really wanted gutshots and 8x to stay in the pot. By not three betting I allowed the Button to stay in and raise me on the turn, with the SB calling all the way.

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Hand 7: Question regarding the free card play. I have no experience at the PP15 game but from hands I've seen posted here and at 2+2, it looks like many players will 3bet and lead. Any thoughts on raising for a free card while on a draw?
It sometimes works at this level and sometimes doesnt. You can mostly argue that it will either buy you a free card or give you an edge. I wouldn't be surprised to see BB at 2+2, he was a pretty good player so I knew he had a real good hand when he three bet me. I was getting 2-1 on my money so I was still getting odds to do so and add on the chance of buying the free card this play is still +EV. Plus, it disguised my hand when it did hit.


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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42 games 0.031 secs 1,354 games/sec

Board: Jc 5h 9h 8c 7d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 39.2857 % 28.57% 10.71% { AdKh }
Hand 2: 60.7143 % 50.00% 10.71% { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }


You definitely have the equity to call on the river here, as well as on each street. What I am questioning is whether you have the equity to go to showdown heads up. Since it costs you 2.5BBs into a pot that is going to be 8 BBs, I suppose it would be correct to take AKo unimproved to showdown every time heads up against a 3 bet? This seems counterintuitive somehow.


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30 games 0.005 secs 6,000 games/sec

Board: Jc 5h 9h 8c 7d
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 85.0000 % 70.00% 15.00% { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 15.0000 % 00.00% 15.00% { AdKh }


As soon as we take away the chance that he 3 bet with AQ, Your equity drops significantly, with a 0% win percentage. Thus, I think we still need a good read to go to showdown with AK. I would want an opponent with PFR closer to 10 than 5, and agression higher than 1.5 or so.
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"Not really, my PE stats shows he is the 40 VPIP type with PFR of 5 with Agg of 1.:

Your stats indicate he's a tightass PFR'er and not too aggressive. I'm inclined to laydown here. The only reasonable hand I can see him 3betting you and losing with is AQ. Everything else had or NOWHAS you beat. I give you credit for your read, but I think you misread the board pretty badly here.

Another side note here. I've heard complaints about people using PE about skewed stats. Clearly a 5% PFR with 1 Agg isn't playing 24s this way.
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The only reasonable hand I can see him 3betting you and losing with is AQ. Everything else had or NOWHAS you beat.
Given the read I gave you, what % of the time do you think he three bets with AQ-AK versus High Pocket Pair? Also, are you check folding the flop? The turn? At what point do you think you are behind? What prior action are you basing your decision on, solely the preflop raise?

In actuality, PE had zero stats at the 15/30 tables, so in essence, I had zero read on this player and I only saw him play 6 hands at the table in PT, with 24s the only hand he was taking to showdown. I do, however, have his stats from PE at the other levels of play. He has played .5/1, 3/6, and 30/60. Here are the numbers:

313 Hands
3.49 VPIP
43.57 VPIP
15.99 PFR
17.39 Cold Call %
WSD 45.39
W$SD 53.13

Hardly the average player. In fact, given the numbers at hand and had I known the numbers up front, I would be more inclined to think I was beat because he is more likely to be raising with trash and hitting that board to win that playing against a decent opponent.

Also, just like you can never put exacts on PT stats, you can also never put exacts on PE. The numbers may be misleading but its always better to have a general clue about a type of player than going in blind. In that essence alone, PE is worth the $20 a month.

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Old 07-11-2005, 09:48 PM #13 (permalink)  
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what's the biggest BB profit you've earned in 1 session at 15-30 jeff?
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 Other AK or similar 'folding' hands:

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K.
1 fold, Hero raises, 3 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 3, 7, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (3.83 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (5.83 BB) T (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.83 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Ks (flush, ace high).
CO has Td Ad (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, 8, 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below:
SB has Ts As (two pair, nines and twos).
Hero has Kd Ah (two pair, nines and twos).
MP2 has 4h 4s (two pair, nines and fours).
Outcome: MP2 wins 8 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 5, 4, Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 6.83 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd As (one pair, fours).
MP3 has Jc Ah (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.83 BB.


Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, A.
UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 3, K, K (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.83 BB) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (7.83 BB) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.83 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 4h 4d (two pair, kings and fours).
Hero has Qh Ad (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG wins 7.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A.
3 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 3, T, 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets, CO calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 2 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.83 BB

Results in white below:
CO has Ad Jd (one pair, twos).
Hero has Qh Ac (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.66 SB) J, 2, T (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.33 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds.

River: (8.33 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 9.33 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has As Ks (two pair, jacks and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.33 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, Q.
2 folds, Hero raises, 5 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.66 SB) 2, 5, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5.33 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.33 BB) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.33 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ts 3h (one pair, twos).
Hero has Kc Qd (one pair, twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.33 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, K.
UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 6, 2, 4 (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.83 BB) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.83 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Jh Qd (high card, ace).
Hero has Ts Ks (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.83 BB.


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what's the biggest BB profit you've earned in 1 session at 15-30 jeff?
It depends on what you consider a session. That information is rather personal, but I've done fairly well. I'll post my numbers when I have a large enough sample size, which might take a few weeks.


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Jeff, Clearly I have offended you, which was not my intention, and for that, I apologize. However, your initial reply stated that PE had his as 5% PFR. Therefore, my reaction was that he is a tight raiser and his range was more narrowed. Based on that board, the only reasonable hand a 5% PFR could have that you would beat would be AQ or KQ. (No sarcasm intended here but...) What is a reasonable opponent raising with that we beat here? I'm trying to not be results oriented in this hand because (while I'm glad you made the right play), I don't think you're going to win this often enough to call it down. Again, sorry for offending you in my prior post.
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Jeff, Clearly I have offended you, which was not my intention, and for that, I apologize. However, your initial reply stated that PE had his as 5% PFR. Therefore, my reaction was that he is a tight raiser and his range was more narrowed. Based on that board, the only reasonable hand a 5% PFR could have that you would beat would be AQ or KQ. (No sarcasm intended here but...) What is a reasonable opponent raising with that we beat here? I'm trying to not be results oriented in this hand because (while I'm glad you made the right play), I don't think you're going to win this often enough to call it down. Again, sorry for offending you in my prior post.
You really only offended me when it came to PE , otherwise its okay. I still would like to know your Party sig, no other way to prove to you how much its worth.


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Jeff, where are you playing with PE? Have you received a nastygram yet?
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 I'm playing with Eurobet. So far they are the only Party site to send an email out.

I've gone ahead and labeled every rock and TAG i've seen at 15/30 in case I do receive an email.


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a few more questions for you jeff.

I may even start pm'ing you with some hands if you wouldnt mind, or at least some strategy talk.

I'm up 1200 or so in limit in the 6-7 days i've been quad tabling. I go on loss's of 200 or so but thats because i'm very aggressive. What type bankroll do you need to sit at 15/30? I've got around 3500 right now.. I was wondering if i should move up since im crushing 3/6 so far. I guess i should play for a couple more weeks and get a bigger database first.

Do you think that 5/10 is harder than 15/30? I sat at a 5/10 and lost about 80 bucks in 2 minutes, lol
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Old 07-13-2005, 03:44 AM #21 (permalink)  
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a few more questions for you jeff.

I may even start pm'ing you with some hands if you wouldnt mind, or at least some strategy talk.

I'm up 1200 or so in limit in the 6-7 days i've been quad tabling. I go on loss's of 200 or so but thats because i'm very aggressive. What type bankroll do you need to sit at 15/30? I've got around 3500 right now.. I was wondering if i should move up since im crushing 3/6 so far. I guess i should play for a couple more weeks and get a bigger database first.

Do you think that 5/10 is harder than 15/30? I sat at a 5/10 and lost about 80 bucks in 2 minutes, lol
Your bankroll should always be at least 500 BB in my opinion, so $3000 for 3/6, $5000 for 5/10, and $15,000 for 15/30. Some people might say 300BB, but a -100BB swing really isn't all that uncommon and I could easily see much bigger negative swings happening, so 500BB seems a lot safer. Making $1200 isn't really all that much at 3/6(just 200 BB). It's definately enough to give yourself a nice cushion in case of a downswing, but not nearly enough to tell if you are crushing a game or not. Also, in my opinion 5/10 is not much tougher than 3/6 on the Party network, but most of the good tables are 6-max so it is a bit different. I haven't played 15/30 to say how it is quite yet though
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higher stakes players seem to use very large bankrolls for their limits, I really doubt a 50-100 player is on a 30k (300 bb) roll, that just sounds scary
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