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meeloche
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09-23-2008, 03:32 AM
Post subject: So I just started Omahahing
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So I played my first legit session of 6 max omaha hi tonight and I have a few questions.
( I 4 tabled .5/1 Omaha hi 6 max)
What are winning stats for omaha? Similar to holdem? I basically just played a shit load of hands in position, had a asian tight utg and mp range and wasn't afraid to limp behind with speculative hands. Does this sound like a good game plan?
What kind of 3 betting dynamic is there at .5/1? What kind of 3 betting range should I have?
Is felting decent 2 pairs in dry boards considered mandatory?
Thats all for now and I'm sure you'll be hearing more from me here in the future.
Thanks.
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meeloche
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One more thing, In 6 max hi what are my auto felt preflop for 100bb hands other than AAxx against average villains in normal gameflow?
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swiggidy
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Stats?
Omaha is much more post-flop than pre-flop. Not sure what you consider tight, or acceptable for LP play. I haven't played 100PLO but people generally call from the blinds "too much", often with nut potential hands and their call isn't incorrect.
Dry like 28Kr? And what's decent 2 pair? Top 2 probably. Top bottom maybe, bottom two is a sucker hand. Top 2 vs an over pair is typically a coinflip.
You shouldn't necessarily autofelt hands pre. If villain is tight I might fold KKxxds, if they're wild I'll happily felt high rundown hands, especially with one or two flush draws.
I'm really not that good so you'll get better responses, but first posting makes me feel special.
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bigspenda73
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1. PF Stats are less important, I hope you would have figured this out by now. The biggest mistake players make is that they play too many hands that make strong hold'em hands (i.e. 3rd nut flush, non-nut straights, bottom-set) and this forces them to spew against players who are only stacking off very tightly. Stats are a lot different, my VPIP is near 30 for PLO but my PFR is around 12 I think, in hold'em I run like 24/21.
2. The 3betting dynamic isn't crazy, and it shouldn't be. In position you should never fold to a 3bet because in a PL game you are always getting 2:1 (or better) and you have position, which, in PLO is paramount. Also, hands run much closer in equity in PLO, which is not the case in hold'em.
3. NO, don't go beserk on dry boards unless you want to run into sets or wraps all day long.
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bigspenda73
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Autofelting anything but AAxx or the 4card connectors with a suit is potentially a leak.
You never have any FE, so you want a run-down hand instead of a hand like KK85 to stack-off with.
5678
6789
789T
4567
89TJ
I'd need at least one suit, if not double-suited to want to felt, basically I'd call a 4bet and stack off if I flop a pair or a draw (obv). The pair is what people miss though, like if an opponent 4bets my 3bet and it comes 26Q and we have 5678 with like a bd fd we have plenty of equity and the pot is offering too good a price to fold 100bb deep.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
1. PF Stats are less important, I hope you would have figured this out by now. The biggest mistake players make is that they play too many hands that make strong hold'em hands (i.e. 3rd nut flush, non-nut straights, bottom-set) and this forces them to spew against players who are only stacking off very tightly. Stats are a lot different, my VPIP is near 30 for PLO but my PFR is around 12 I think, in hold'em I run like 24/21.
2. The 3betting dynamic isn't crazy, and it shouldn't be. In position you should never fold to a 3bet because in a PL game you are always getting 2:1 (or better) and you have position, which, in PLO is paramount. Also, hands run much closer in equity in PLO, which is not the case in hold'em.
3. NO, don't go beserk on dry boards unless you want to run into sets or wraps all day long.
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1) Yes obviously, just wanted to make sure I was semi in line.
I had similar stats as yourself in both games.
2) cool
3) also cool and also what I figured.
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drmcboy
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just starting I think you should play tighter than 30/12, most players raise a lot less and probably should limp/call less. (I assume) he wins a lot of pots bluffing scare cards on the turn/river.
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meeloche
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I acutally ran 30/20 over 300 ish hands. I agree tightening up is probably ideal however I can't see myself limp calling that much. The only time I was limping was behind 1 or 2 in position.
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bigspenda73
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oh yea I do bluff a lot and I play 2,3,4 handed a good amount too. I'll usually only stay at a table once it fills (6max) if a few marks are there.
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nolan
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just focus on solid play
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shazbox
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by nolan
just focus on solid play
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Thank God, I was so confused playing Omaha until I read this utterly groundbreaking theory.
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