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Strung
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03-29-2005, 05:55 AM
Post subject: Small Stakes Hold'em Starting hands Q
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
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I've been reading this (learning a lot) and I'm wondering what some of the vets think about the starting hand suggestions they give. More specifically, the hands suggested from middle position. They recommend playing hands like KJo and ATo, Axs, KTs - K9s, etc. from these positions when not facing a raise. I always thought these types of hands would be CO and button hands. I often muck KJ, AT etc, even K9s and down from here. Am I playing too tight? What about the Axs line?
Also is late position they recommend a lot of the suited connectors and so forth. For some reason I have a lot of problems playing hands/seeing the value something like 87s or 54s. I understand the straight possibility but going to showdown with a 87s flush?
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Fnord
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03-29-2005, 06:19 AM
Post subject: Re: Small Stakes Hold'em Starting hands Q
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I play KJo and ATo from the last 4 positions. I generally want to be comming in with a raise when I play them to isolate a limper and/or buy the button. If a raise gets no respect, then I just limp and play "fit or fold".
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Originally Posted by Strung
Also is late position they recommend a lot of the suited connectors and so forth. For some reason I have a lot of problems playing hands/seeing the value something like 87s or 54s. I understand the straight possibility but going to showdown with a 87s flush?
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Flush over flush is freak.
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
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I agree. On a three of a suit board, flush over flush doesn't happen often enough to worry about.
As for what cards you choose to play in any position, you can't go wrong by being tighter than recommended on low limit tables (I'm assuming that's where your at). Do what is comfortable for you. Camp on monsters if that's your fancy. At low levels, no one is paying attention to how tight your being. At least not enough to worry about it.
At higher levels your pots will dry up if your too tight. No one will get near any pot your in unless they flop a complete monster. You'll lose money. I'm not at a super high level yet myself, but I'm already starting to see this happen to people (3/6 5/10 tables).
So to answer your question, don't worry about it. Play super tight and win money. That's what it's about anyway. Get into details when you start moving up the ranks.
Playing marginal hands requires better post flop ability. Wait till you gain those kind of skills before you start speculating more often with these kinds of hands.
Maybe I'm stupidstitious, but after playing a lot, I think you get a sixth sense about whether to see raises with marginal hands on occasion in various positions.
A couple of days ago I saw a 2-bet with 2 additional callers before me in mid position with 77 in hand. I never ever see this hand for 2-bet in that position with that many callers. I flopped a set, and it improved to a house on the river which also completed someone's nut flush. I took down a $113 dollar pot on a whim.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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Chicago_Kid
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Originally Posted by Rondavu
Maybe I'm stupidstitious, but after playing a lot, I think you get a sixth sense about whether to see raises with marginal hands on occasion in various positions.
A couple of days ago I saw a 2-bet with 2 additional callers before me in mid position with 77 in hand. I never ever see this hand for 2-bet in that position with that many callers. I flopped a set, and it improved to a house on the river which also completed someone's nut flush. I took down a $113 dollar pot on a whim.
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So you saw the 7 coming? 
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"Been gone so long, forgot how to poker"
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ChezJ
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Full House
Join Date: Oct 2004
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i lost about $20 in one hand of $1/$2 because i played J8s in the SB, rammed my flush draw, and hit it on the river, only to lose to two other flushes.
this was 2-3 days after reading SSH. i was highly demoralized to say the least. but i still agree with the other guys, flush over flush is rare.
ChezJ
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