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pokerlearner
Old 05-06-2005, 08:16 AM     Post subject: slowing down when checkraised on flop ? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:
Was i incorrect to go to call mode after the flop check raise ? no read on anyone.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 5, J, J (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 8d Th (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Ks Kd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.75 BB.
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Hand 2:

Should I have 3 bet the flop ?? Everytime I get raised, i start worrying about 2 pair these days !! I went in betting-raising mode after the turn paired nullifying the obvious 2 pair J-Q in my mind.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, K.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (9 SB) Q, J, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 6 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 2 (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and sixes).
CO doesn't show.
Button has As Qs (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.50 BB.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: When someone plays the flop fast, I'm less inclined to give them credit fro trips. That turn card sucked. Well played.

Hand 2: Very well played. I'm more concerned about straight draws with a QJx flop.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:28 PM #3 (permalink)  
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On hand 2, why not pop another bet on the Flop?

Given the pre-flop action, I would have ruled out anyone with AK/QQ, or JJ as I would have expected a re-raise.

Any thoughts?
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:49 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I agree, but also keep in mind that fish will raise the jack all day on the flop. They have no concept of concealment. The flip side of that is what actually happened. A fish was trying to push you out with nada.
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Old 05-06-2005, 03:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I agree, but also keep in mind that fish will raise the jack all day on the flop.
I strongly disagree. 9 times out of 10 they wait for the turn unless they can raise behind a bet and several calls. A raise to isolate the bettor like that is almost always a hand worse than Jx. Jx doesn't want to kill his action.
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