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sarbox68

10-21-2006, 10:48 PM Post subject: Slow played sets -- mistake?

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Two examples of sets that I lost yesterday. I'm thinking this was because I tried to slow-play them, and should have just come out blasting to win as quickly as possible. Any thoughts or feedback?

Hand 1: Lost this one to KQo

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with K

2 folds, UTG+2 calls (1.5:1), 3 folds, CO calls (2.5:1), Hero calls (3.5:1), SB calls (4.5:0.5), BB checks.

Flop: T

(5SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO bets, Hero calls (6:1), SB calls (7:1), BB folds, UTG+2 calls (8:1).

Turn: 8

(4.5BB, 4 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls (5.5:1), CO calls (6.5:1), Hero raises, SB calls (9.5:1), UTG+2 calls (10.5:1), CO calls (11.5:1).

River: A

(12.5BB, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+2 calls (13.5:1), CO folds.

Results:
Final pot: 14.5BB

Hand 2: Lost this one to Bu w/ A high flush. I KNOW I should have pushed this harder, as he had nothing thru the flop. I folded on the River because SB and Bu started pushing so hard I figured one of them had to have the flush. Saved myself a couple of bucks at least.....

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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls (1.5:1), 3 folds, Hero raises, Button calls (4.5:2), SB calls (6.5:1.5), BB calls (8:1), UTG+1 calls (9:1).

Flop: K

(10SB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 3

(5BB, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button calls (8:2), SB calls (10:2), 2 folds.

River: T

(12BB, 3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls (13:1), Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero folds, Button caps, SB calls (20:1).

Results:
Final pot: 21BB

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Ragnar4

10-22-2006, 01:30 AM

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Hand one.
This is not a set. It's trips. The difference is that Sets have 2 cards in your hand and one card on the board making 3 of a kind, and Trips is one card in your hand, two cards on the board.

In my book. Slowplaying trips is never a good idea, because 1) Trips has a much harder time of making a Full House, to a gross strong hand on a co-ordinated board, and because giving drawing hands free cards at a vulnerable hand is never a good idea. The reason we make money at this game is because we ask other players to make decisions that that are -EV Lets say that SB, BB, or UTG+2 had KQ. When CO bets, your raise makes it an unprofitable play to call looking for the A or the 9. Not enough bets in the pot. Instead by calling, you give them a profitable play. When you have a good hand that's vulnerable to re-draws and the guy to your right bets, you should ALWAYS raise to force those re-draws out in multiway hands, or even better, force them to call unprofitably.

Hand 2. Yep. By not betting out you actually made the "catastropic" mistake of allowing your opponent to see a card that improves his hand for free. Argumentatively, unless the player is a TOTAL donkey, by betting out at this flop he would have folded this runner runner flush draw. I think most players know not to draw to 23-1.

Then again, When UTG +1 bet out, your raise was perfect. Not a chance in the world that SB had odds to call looking for that last spade.

When it comes right down to it. I don't like to be silly with sets at this level. The problem is: You don't get sets often , and you want as much money in the pot as you can get when you flop one. The reason sets are so +EV at low levels is because players call too many poor hands too far down and pay off well hidden deceptive hands call, call, calling.

Any schmuck with King Poop would have re-popped you thinking their top pair was gold, and you could have gotten into a raising war which may have forced that flush draw out.

I like your call/fold on the river too. The thought pattern being I'd rather pay off 1bb then lose 15 bb.. then Button and SB drop trou and flop 'em on the table... the fold was because action told you, you were beat.

These are hard hands to be sure.

My advice. to maybe help you turn a winning session. NEVER cold call a raise until you turn in a few winning sessions. If you aren't willing to re-raise the raiser, get out. Okay... maaaybe you can cold call with suited AK, AK off, and Suited AQ. But AA, KK, QQ are all re-raises.

If you end up a little up. You can play Axs and Kxs from early position. If you pick up top pair, be willing to check/fold the hand if it gets nasty. If everyone checks to the turn, you can bet it. If you catch a flush draw, be very aggressive all the way down as long as you have, and KEEP 2 other players in the hand with you. IF you catch 2 pair or better, mix it up.

My guess, is that your losing sessions are because you're playing too many hands for cold call raises.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

bigspenda73

10-22-2006, 09:22 AM

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Hand 1: Raise the flop
Hand 2: Bet the flop

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