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Xanadu
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12-28-2005, 07:10 PM
Post subject: Slow play the flopped boat?
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: st. paul, MO
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B&M 5/10 game 10 handed. Typical mix of bad to decent mostly loose/passive casino players.
I have A2s in the SB. 6 limpers, I complete, BB checks. Pot is 7SB after rake and drop. Flop comes A22. I lead out and all 7 fold! I turn over my hand and say 'not one of you wanted to pay me off?' The dealer says 'you should have checked.' Probably the only time I've shown my hand all year ... I didn't think it could hurt me here.
I'm not really looking for advice, but I am curious whether any of you would have checked, and if so, why do you think it is better than betting?
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
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At the casino low limit games it seems everyone draws to anything (gutshot straight, A/K/Q overcard). With a board like that there's no new higher pair to catch, not likely a straight to chase (unless they have 34/45/35) and someone might even fold a hand like A5 if they fear you have a bigger ace or the two.
I'd check the flop and lead the turn if no one bet the flop. Of course this does give people chances to hit 2-outers with any pocket pair they may have..
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Tripps7
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Straight
Join Date: Jan 2005
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With 7 players I probably only slowplay if the table is tight or my image dictates (i.e. everyone fears me). I would assume to at least get 1-3 callers someone other person with an Ace, a 2, a middle pocket pair or even some sort of gutshot draw. Not to mention if I check and give a free card, I would get sick to my stomach when that 6 comes on the turn and boats someone with pocket 6's.
It's just unfortunate they all folded.
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Kessler
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Las Vegas
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I would be OK with giving a free card on the flop to let someone catch up with me. I think the flop of A22 is what made everyone fold, as Korn explained. If we held 9To and flop came 99T, that's a different story.
If someone hits a 2 outer on us, meh, it happens. But I would rather let a Q or a K come out and give someone else enough of a piece of it to call me down.
-Kes
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If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Bet out. Unfortunate that everyone folds, but you're more likely to get callers (and maybe even a raiser!) than all folds.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
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I once flopped quads with 88 and bet out in position on every street and on the river, he caught his backdoor straight or flush (i don't remember exactly) and we got into a raise war until he gave up and called down. Someone is drawing to something
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Tripps7
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Straight
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Kessler
If someone hits a 2 outer on us, meh, it happens. But I would rather let a Q or a K come out and give someone else enough of a piece of it to call me down.
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Not so much worried about the two outer hitting. With 7 other people in the pot and first to act, I probably bet this out everytime. I don't think I have EVER seen 7 people fold for 1 small bet on the flop in a live game.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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I think I made the right play ... people call all the time with crap. The very fact that it was 8 to the flop shows how loose the table was. I figure any ace or 2 calls, most pairs call, definitely 34, 35, 45. And a lot of people will call with 2 high cards or even any 2 cards hoping to catch a pair. I posted it mostly because it was a bizarre occurence to have 7 people fold getting 8:1.
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Mike_Ann
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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I would check here since A flop. a lot of people play with A and 7 players. There are better chance that someone will start out betting. If not then I'll bet on the turn.
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ihategnomes
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Louisiana
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Slow playing is poor 9 out of 10 situations in LHE.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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Prolaznik
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Join Date: Dec 2005
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Whether you bet or check strictly depends of previous playing (probability that you'd bet without strong hand - in THEIR opinion)
If this would be my first hand with uknown people - I'd check. Even if they all check after me, I still have time to bet later...
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Ragnar4
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Full House
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Tell ya what,
I have a really hard time calling any bet when the board comes that co-ordinated.
I had a similar situation happen to me here the other night. I had QT, and limped in late, only to hit a monster QQT. I had to check. Luckily an Ace kicked up, and a straight, and Aces and queens started kicking around at eachother trying to steal the pot, and I just quietly called their bet, raise, call. Then, the same thing happened on the river. Position one checked, I looked downstream and prayed that position 3 would bet, and checked, 3 bets then one raises, and I re-raise. They both look at me like I'm nuts, and 3 calls, and 1 caps, which we both call.
In freak situations like that, it's right to check the flop and let someone catch up. The absolute worst that happens, you check and everyone checks around, then the turn checks around too. you make a steal bet on the river, and everyone folds. Same thing that happened on the flop, but more people had the opportunity to catch up.
This game at this level is massaging the most money out of the most people at every given opportunity.
In this situation this pot had been declared an "orphan" by the table. Your mistake was picking it up.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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Hmm, good point about A22 flop
But if it had two of one suit it's an auto-bet. That way the flush draw calls and then feels compelled to call or even raise after catching the flush.
Same thing happens on AQQ flops when no one else has an ace or straight draw
think about it: when you have an ace and the flop has an ace and the player with A3 or some crap is too afraid of trips...
this is the only place where in low stakes hold'em it might be profitable to bluff - because if the flop is 3-handed and there's an ace on the board, people think that they have no chance against whoever bets because they are drawing dead with their no pair. Now usually when people call down they do it with overcards or middle pair or third button as a draw and then on the river because it's just one more (or a lot of people call to the river and fold without a piece, but that's rare because any pair calls). Now calling down fully knowing that you might need REAL help to win against trips...
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