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Old 06-01-2005, 03:33 PM     Post subject: Slow Play #1 (permalink)  

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It worked out great, but i wonder if i should just raise the flop, will these slow play cost me in the long term ?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 6.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 6, 6, 5 (6 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (5 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

River: (17 BB) 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls $12 (All-In), MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 29 BB
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Old 06-01-2005, 03:37 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I like it. Lack of preflop aggression tells me capping the big streets is g00t.
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:03 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I don't slowplay much of anything, but if I flop a boat, I'll check the flop hoping for some better action on the turn and river. Just like you got. Good show.
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Old 06-01-2005, 07:31 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't usually slowplay in limit, but there are times where you should to get more bets in on the more expensive streets. Good job on the flop.
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Old 06-01-2005, 10:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Meh you would have got all that action anyway, I think this is a clear flop bet.

You can't be sure anyone will bet the flop for you and since most players are more likely to call bets on the flop than on other streets you miss bets when it gets checked around.

No one will put you on a huge hand if you bet and not betting probably doesn't earn you more through deception.
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Old 06-01-2005, 10:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I agree, just bet the flop ... you're missing bets with this approach. As the field gets smaller (i.e. if you were 3-way or heads up on the flop for example) a flop check gains some merit line, but with such a large field you gotta get the money in on the flop before the dead money starts dropping out.

Ask yourself this: How often do you yourself as a potential flop-bet caller put your opponent on a flopped house and change your call to a fold? What advantages have you gained for 4th and 5th streets?
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it's either check raise (given all those callers) or just bet out.
 
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:26 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Here is the last time I remember slow playing...

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Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with 8, 8.
UTG calls, Fnord calls, MP1 raises, 3 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Fnord calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 8, K, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Fnord checks, MP1 bets, SB folds, UTG calls, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, Fnord checks, MP1 bets, UTG folds, Fnord raises, MP1 calls.

River: (10 BB) 5 (2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord has 8c 8h (four of a kind, eights).
MP1 has Ac Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: Fnord wins 12 BB.
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