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Old 09-02-2005, 01:54 AM     Post subject: Slow down anywhere here? #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 3, 3.
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K, 2, 3 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11 BB) J (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, Hero calls.

River: (20 BB) 6 (3 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 3c 3d (three of a kind, threes).
MP3 has Ac 5c (high card, ace).
Button has Jd Js (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins 26 BB.


Is this the same as NL? Get in as much as you can, and don't sweat it when you lose?

I'm still losing, maybe these are why?

Edit: (used hand converter)
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:00 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Or here?

Edit: wrong hand. lemme find it.
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Old 09-02-2005, 02:40 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I play hand 1 the exact same way. Button's probably not playing 45 for any caps, and you're paying off set over set. I'd put opp on KJ before JJ or KK in this situation
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Old 09-02-2005, 06:08 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I lost a very similar hand today, and paid off every bet on the turn/river. He happened to hit his case J on the river and I just kind of shrugged it off, even though it hurt.
take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
 
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Old 09-08-2005, 02:43 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 With no read you pretty well have to pay it off. But if you see him as a decent player who won't 4bet anything less than a set, I'd check/call the river since he likely has KK or JJ.

I know if I had KK in his spot, I would usually reraise/call the flop hoping for more action down the road. By letting the other guy (you) think you were ahead of my AK/AA
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on the river check/call or bet/call is fine (leaning towards c/c). the 3bet is chip spewage.
 
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on the river check/call or bet/call is fine (leaning towards c/c). the 3bet is chip spewage.
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Never slow down. In limit a set over set is as rare but less costly than in NL. Plus, didn't someone say it happens one in 80,000?
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Old 09-08-2005, 05:52 PM #9 (permalink)  
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If this opponent is normally a very aggressive player, I like the river 3-bet. If this opponent is not especially aggressive, his chances of having KJ and playing like this are too low, so I'd just call the river raise in this case.
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Never slow down. In limit a set over set is as rare but less costly than in NL. Plus, didn't someone say it happens one in 180,000?
Not that rare, but you have to consider the board and what the guy would realistically bet the way he did.

KK for sure, JJ likely, 22 possibly, AA possibly, 66 he wouldn't have, KJ he wouldn't cap and then reraise again on the river, any kind of Axs+a pair he wouldn't reraise on the river either.

So if you look at the hands he would play that way that you can beat, it's only 22 (unlikely due to a preflop raise) and AA (unlikely he would cap it on the turn.
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Never slow down. In limit a set over set is as rare but less costly than in NL. Plus, didn't someone say it happens one in 180,000?
Not that rare, but you have to consider the board and what the guy would realistically bet the way he did.

KK for sure, JJ likely, 22 possibly, AA possibly, 66 he wouldn't have, KJ he wouldn't cap and then reraise again on the river, any kind of Axs+a pair he wouldn't reraise on the river either.

So if you look at the hands he would play that way that you can beat, it's only 22 (unlikely due to a preflop raise) and AA (unlikely he would cap it on the turn.
AK is a possibility. I think set over set is maybe one in 80,000? That one might have been a typo. And the number was post on FTR anyway.

btw as for the set over-set

ignoring the betting suggesting a set, let's look at the odds
there are three higher cards on the board to make a better set with

three different pairs involving 3 of the cards
3*3 = 9
ignoring 5 cards we know the possible total hands are 2209
.4% of the time it's set over set (not in your favor) as long as you have a set and there are three overcards to it by the river
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