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01-25-2005, 11:55 PM
Post subject: Simple little QQ hand from today...
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Villian is fairly loose (~25% VP$IP) and passive.
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Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with Q , Q .
UTG folds, Fnord raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: (4.50 SB) T , T, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, BB calls.
Turn: (3.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB bets, Fnord raises...
How'd I do? What's my plan for the rest of the hand?
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Well, if he reraises you back, its a check call. If he calls, bet/raise again the river.
Ive seen players raise me when they catch one of they're cards, like A6s or something retarded. If he has the 10, pay him, anything else ludicris like 77 or 66, you said it yourself: "show me"
He could also be betting his flush draw. I think the big key is if he reraises the turn or check calls. You might want to take the free showdown if you think he'll check raise. Its not unlikely he has the 10, we've both seen it a billion times.
Cold Calling hands: Pocket Pair, ATs, KQs, AJs. Heck, throw in AA and KK if he's a thinking player. One reason I dont think he has a Ten, if he did, he would check-raise. Also, he could be bluffing at you, seen that too.
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The raise is solid.... some of the players on party will bet anything. On this hand that would be one of the only cards I would not want hitting on the turn. Open ender has you drawing to 4 outs . I dont think he has a ten or he would most likely check raise the turn. I think your ahead by the way he bet but if reraised you are mostly likely way behind. If reraised check call or fold depending on pot size.
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You have to think of possible cold calling hands....connectors in a shorthanded pot are possibly one of the last things I'd look for.
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Originally Posted by trikflow77
If reraised check call or fold depending on pot size.
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Well, you can see the pot size, so which is it call or fold?
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elipse you are assuming everyone plays well..... even if he doesn't have 89 j10 q10 k10 and a10 are all real threats. with the pot at 6.25 bb i most likely fold this hand to a raise unless I had good notes on the player. He might bet the draw on the turn but reraising a draw heads up like this is not likely because of the fear that fnord could be boated up already.
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Originally Posted by trikflow77
i most likely fold this hand to a raise unless I had good notes on the player. He might bet the draw on the turn but reraising a draw heads up like this is not likely because of the fear that fnord could be boated up already.
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I think thats too tight, you'll get bluffed out of too much. I say if he raises call him down. Even stupid players check raise when they slow play their hand.
What if fnord's hand was AA here? Then would you fold HU? I think any hand from JJ to AA here you call down. Even AK call down.
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I guess its read dependent especially with ak. I would mostly likely check call though hu. I could see a check raise bluff but a bet then fnord raises and the better reraises.... at 2/4 most wont bluff reraise. Like I said if the guy has a vpip of 70% or somthing I would call him down.
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Raising the turn here with AK would be way too LAggy. His bet smells a lot like a 7 or 6 to me.
Anyway, he popped me back and I called it down. He had T8o.
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I agree, I was refering to jeffs post. So what was the final result??
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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.
Flop: (11 SB) A, K, A (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.
Turn: (8.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, CO folds.
Final Pot: 9.50 BB
Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 9.50 BB.
I show my cards: 66.
CO says: I folded QQ....
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Raising the turn here with AK would be way too LAggy. His bet smells a lot like a 7 or 6 to me.
Anyway, he poped me back and I called it down. He had T8o.
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Well, at least it didnt cost you much to find a new friend.
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108os, nice. No friend like a party friend. Fnord did you call him down there because of a read or did the pot make you grind your teeth and call.
jeff that board is perfect for your hand if the pf raiser has and underpair. Nice play..
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108os, nice. No friend like a party friend. Fnord did you call him down there because of a read or did the pot make you grind your teeth and call.
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I make enough cute laydowns and seen enough silly plays not to be inclined to lay that one down.
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jeff that board is perfect for your hand if the pf raiser has and underpair. Nice play..
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There are a lot of really BIG ifs there. I would fold and move on.
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