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pokerfanatic

10-16-2007, 02:37 PM Post subject: silly hand

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a Few stats and questions:
Button has stats of: 45.83 VPIP / 20.83 PFR / 1.11 TAF / 25.00 Att 2 steal

Q1: what is this guy even open limping the button with here, why didn't he raise?

Q2: When he raises the turn on me what do you expect him to have here?

Q4: is my 3 bet a spew? Why or Why Not?

Q5: if you were in my shoes how whould you have played the hand and why?

Just a little fun filled hand to think about what an opponent might be doing on what looks to me like a good board for your hand.
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Full Tilt 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: PokerFanatic is SB with 5

, A

.
3 folds, Button calls, PokerFanatic raises, 1 fold, Button calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 3

, 5

, 4

(2 players)
PokerFanatic bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5

(2 players)
PokerFanatic bets, Button raises, PokerFanatic 3-bets, Button caps, PokerFanatic calls.

River: (14.75 BB) J

(2 players)
PokerFanatic checks, Button bets, PokerFanatic calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB

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Fnord

10-16-2007, 05:20 PM

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Check/raise the river!

AA/KK no g00t

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

DrivingDog

10-16-2007, 05:33 PM

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Definitely cause for suspicion when someone open-limps from the button. I'd be thinking either big pair or small pair (i.e., FH) on the turn but more likely the former so yeah i'd probably b/c the river.

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Jibalob

10-16-2007, 07:02 PM

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I'd say this is an overpair atleast 70% of the time

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pokerfanatic

10-17-2007, 12:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Check/raise the river!

AA/KK no g00t

yea i actually thought about pulling a call the turn and raise the river line but i felt i was giving up to much an edge to a guy that had a weaker 5 or a SD with a pair...

pokerfanatic

10-17-2007, 12:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

yea, however i have to feel that when i 3 bet the turn he wont cap AA or KK... so when he caps that kinda scared me into thinking he boated or something thus why i just c/c the river...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jibalob

I'd say this is an over pair at least 70% of the time

well i figured that he had about the same, however i figured since he limped he could have 56s, no real FD out there for me to think about which is nice... my 3 bet was for vaule i think because i feel a lot of times majority of his hands i have beat with trips A kicker... now the fucnky part comes when he caps my ass... now i just can't see him capping me with AA or KK on a paired board and a possible straight board, thus my reasoning for not knowing what he was doing actually, i got confused as hel lwhen he capped, and i figured i'd call down to see what he had open limped mostly for information, but the pot was large enough i didn't want to give a guy getting cute a large pot with a fold.

anyways, i know for a fact i never could have imagined what he had
Results in white below:
PokerFanatic has 5c Ac (three of a kind, fives).
Button has 9h Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: PokerFanatic wins 16.75 BB.

Fnord

10-17-2007, 01:08 AM

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AA/KK is well within his range on the turn. If he has either hand, he's ambushing you!

I think you're good here almost always and the river rarely gets checked through after the cap. c/r and call a 3-bet. You should be giving a lot of action here because people give so much action with non-nut hands in these games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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10-17-2007, 08:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

anyways, i know for a fact i never could have imagined what he had
Results in white below:
PokerFanatic has 5c Ac (three of a kind, fives).
Button has 9h Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
Outcome: PokerFanatic wins 16.75 BB.

What a bozo, lol.

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littleogre

10-17-2007, 08:56 AM

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littleogre has a little shameless behaviour in the past

Don't play sh but i honestly can't see how open limping on the button with j/9 is ever a good idea.

Hermann the Lombard

10-17-2007, 08:49 PM

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I trust he's now on your buddy list.

Oh, no! Not another learning experience!

pokerfanatic

10-18-2007, 12:02 AM

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o i run across some real dumb asses at 6m at times:
yes that includes taggs...

example

BB Stats: 19.96 VPIP / 15.76 PFR / 2.13 TAF

i had the guy on a big pair AA/KK and i had been raising a lot from LP figured he was over playin it becasue he got tired of my steals

Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: PokerFanatic is Button with 5

, 5

.
3 folds, PokerFanatic raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic caps, BB calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 5

, J

, 4

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic caps, BB calls.

River: (20.20 BB) T

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic calls.

Final Pot: 27.20 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 6s 7s (flush, ten high).
PokerFanatic has 5h 5d (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: BB wins 27.20 BB.

Hermann the Lombard

10-18-2007, 04:38 PM

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Hmm...what's the sound from the straw when the liquid in the cup runs out? It's painful when play like that succeeds. Naturally you want him to try that a few more times, but it always seems to me that such villains promptly lose their money to other people at the table while I get dealt a series of pocket 72 hands...

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pokerfanatic

10-18-2007, 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hermann the Lombard

yea but i gave his sats no way in hell i would have ever put him on that hand damn tagg playing like a maniac tilt maybe?

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10-19-2007, 03:31 PM

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I wouldn't either! Playing low suited connectors against a raise HU doesn't seem to be a +EV play, and even with 20% PFR I wouldn't think that would be a raise.

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arborman

10-19-2007, 04:39 PM

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Did you suck out on him in an earlier hand or something?

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10-19-2007, 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: PokerFanatic is Button with 5

, 5

.
3 folds, PokerFanatic raises, 1 fold, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic caps, BB calls.

Flop: (11.40 SB) 5

, J

, 4

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic calls.

Turn: (9.20 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic caps, BB calls.

River: (20.20 BB) T

(2 players)
BB bets, PokerFanatic raises, BB 3-bets, PokerFanatic calls.

If you've been stealing more than your fair share, I don't mind hid 3bet against your button steal. The only street he played badly after that was the turn, he should have just called your raise with his OESFD+pair, since it's obvious you have him beat at that point and he has no fold equity with a 3bet.

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pokerfanatic

10-19-2007, 09:46 PM

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this is just kinda silly brag about my session today: This was just fucking fun... it really was... a function of running well and playing well lead to tis...

arborman

10-19-2007, 10:12 PM

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Nice when they come, that's for sure. I've had sessions like that, and others that are all red.

pokerfanatic

10-20-2007, 05:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arborman

Nice when they come, that's for sure. I've had sessions like that, and others that are all red.

yea just stupid funny im given i was 2 tabling and a very little of a 3rd table that entire time. just thought it was fun for once to have a nice run of cards given lately it seemed i was just scraping by hand by hand.

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10-20-2007, 06:29 PM

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You da man! Welcome back sir

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