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Old 09-16-2005, 12:37 AM     Post subject: Showdown! #1 (permalink)  
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Also, we're just starting to build a history with each other, so I'm looking to showdown a bit.
I hate going to showdown.
I think it is weak.
I don't want my opponents to think that I am weak.


I can give many examples of when it is more correct to take a hand to showdown. i.e. WA/WB situations.
I just prefer to bet to get this information.

I have a point but I'll get to it later.

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Old 09-16-2005, 01:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I prefer to go to showdown, especially when I'm way ahead, margainally behind, and marginally ahead.

The only time I don't want to showdown is when I know I'm not ahead, obviously.

I think you are retarded if you never want to go to showdown, its an entire extra round of double bets. Value betting rocks!


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Consider a hypothetical hand:

Folded to a 2+2er who raises on the button,
I 3 bet from the BB with JT, button calls.
Flop comes Q T8
I bet and he calls,
Turn is 3
I bet, and after thinking for a second, he calls again.
River is 2

The best play may be to check and try to induce a bet from a missed draw or smaller pair (or a big ace)
I prefer a bet here, Specifically for fold equity.
The possibility of an extra bet actually matters less to me than not showing that I 3 bet preflop with JT.
I like to keep my oponents questioning their play. A showdown gives them a lot of information about how I play.

This is not really an issue in a typical small stakes online game, but against aware players, it could make a big difference.

A different situation arises when I am in a blind war situation without a hand, and on the end I have the choice of betting with what is surely the worst hand, and facing a probable call.
Even if the chance that my opponent will call is greater than the pot odds that I am getting from a bluff, I would prefer to make the -EV bet.
If my opponent folds, I have accomplished a coup.
If he calls, I give him and the table misleading information about my tendency to take a hand to the river.
I want players to think that their effective odds are bad in future hands, since to see if I am bluffing they will have to call multiple bets.
This is different than a typical player who will fire once at a pot, but will shut down when that play doesn't work.
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Old 09-16-2005, 02:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Against aggro opponents I think it's important to establish that you will showdown some weak hands in situations like blind steals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y
 
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 In your example alone, HEPFAP says that when HU, always assume your opponent DOESN'T have the top card on the board. Secondly, you want him to call you down here with three outs: his Ace.


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Unless the pot is big, giving a free card even to 3 or fewer outs is fine if it allows you to showdown cheap way ahead/behind or induce a bluff.
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I want players to think that their effective odds are bad in future hands, since to see if I am bluffing they will have to call multiple bets.
How do you think your strategy of betting the river with marginal -bluffing hands affects your table image? Will an observant player now call you down with weaker hands? Will an observant player raise you on the turn/river with lighter holdings and push you off the winning hand? How do you adapt to the misleading information you have provided the table?
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