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Miggo
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03-04-2005, 03:20 PM
Post subject: Shouldn't have been in this hand ...
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 153
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Last orbit and wanted to see the flop. I figured, I know better, but all these guys are so loose, I'm gonna cold call with QTs anyway. Then a couple raises behind me come, and this is where I should've gotten out. But I didn't. Called 2 bets again in one turn.
I guess this could be used as a learning tool. I just didn't know what to do once I got in, and then I kept calling. Called 12bb. Granted it was late and I shouldn't have been in the hand, but once I was, what should I have done differently during the different betting rounds?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is CO with T , Q.
1 fold, MP raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (16 SB) 9, K , 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.
Called two bets twice in the same turn again.
Turn: (14 BB) J (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.
Called two bets twice in the same turn again, 3 times in one hand
River: (26 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB bets, MP raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.
Called two bets twice in the same turn again, every single betting round of the hand. I think that's passive.
Final Pot: 38 BB
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gabe
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its like...you know they are capping everytime, and you already decided you were going t showdown, so you might as well speed it up by raising for them!
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elipsesjeff
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Its got to be like AA vs KK or something like that. I hope you werent dogged by AK of clubs here.
Most of your mistakes came preflop, I'm sure you are aware.
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Miggo
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Most of your mistakes came preflop, I'm sure you are aware.
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You are correct. I think the reason why I was in the hand in the first place was a couple of the people were > 50% VP$IP, and I think it was the person raising behind me VP$IP 28 of the 29 hands I had data on for. It was irritating as hell. He was 97% VP$IP or something like that for almost 30 hands and he was up about 15BB. I knew he'd call so I knew there'd be alot of people in the pot. Now I'm just trying to justify my cold calls.  So I didn't put a whole lot of weight on the first guys preflop raise, I think he was > 50% VP$IP. This was a great table, but I just wasn't getting cards, so I said this hand, I'm gonna see a flop. Then all hell broke loose.
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JJDylan
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Buffalo, NY
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the only thing i might do differently (post flop) is 3-bet the turn once you hit that open ended str8 flush draw
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Miggo
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by JJDylan
the only thing i might do differently (post flop) is 3-bet the turn once you hit that open ended str8 flush draw
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At this point, what do I want to happen? Do I want everyone to stay in the pot, or am I trying to chase people out? I was afraid, if I bet, anyone who couldn't beat a flush would go out, and I was better off just calling. If someone has an Ax clubs, or just the Ace or K of clubs and another club comes I'm screwed, and that person isn't going to leave anyway, so I might as well just call so everyone stays in the pot, not just the guy with the Ax clubs. Or is this way of thinking wrong?
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Chicago_Kid
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Miggo
I was afraid, if I bet, anyone who couldn't beat a flush would go out, and I was better off just calling. If someone has an Ax clubs, or just the Ace or K of clubs and another club comes I'm screwed, and that person isn't going to leave anyway, so I might as well just call so everyone stays in the pot, not just the guy with the Ax clubs. Or is this way of thinking wrong?
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I would have just called. Someone might very well have AKc, or Kxs with all the loose play and raising going on. But you never know on .5/1.
What happened?
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Trikflow77
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im raising and reraising the turn and the river here.........every time.
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ChezJ
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well i kind of like the fact that he never had to "wake up" and possibly put a damper on the action between the two bozos who were going to keep capping until the cows came home. i think the ONLY thing he could be scared of is the AK of clubs, which is extremely unlikely. i agree it was probably a battle between pocket pairs but not AA vs KK, more likely 66 vs 99.
ChezJ
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