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Hate
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10-22-2005, 09:40 PM
Post subject: Should I move from .5/1 directly to 2/4?
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Yes, 2/4 can be very loose. You start to see some table variation though where you get a tight tables as well. The rake structure sucks at 1/2 and you see some weird aggression at that level; 2/4 plays more like .5/1.
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Basically, my idea was to play .5/1 until I had 1000$(which would mean about 25000 hands as I'm going) more for the number of hands than for the money, in order to get experience. Then, I thought I'd play 30.000 hands of 1/2 and providing I'm beating it move up to 2/4 after that.
However, the rake issues have caused me to consider this (I play at Party, so no rakeback), and I was thinking I COULD just play .5/1 until 1500$ (for a safe threshold over 300BB because of the big jump) and jump in at 2/4.
My main issue is whether it's too big a jump to make and I should just stick to my regular plan.
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Nehmer
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If I was you, I would switch to Interpoker or Carribean Sun(same network) and play 1/2 there. The games are much softer than the Party network 1/2 games. If you wanna stay on Party anway though, the 1/2 games are not tough to beat despite the bad rake structure(my winrate wasn't all that much worse at 1/2 than .5/1 when I played them).
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I am considering moving to Carribean Sun as I could get a 25% rakeback deal there, however...are there enough 1/2 games for 3-tabling?
The one thing I DO like about party (besides the DP and the fishies) is that you can always get a game.
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KoRnholio
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The Crypto network (eg, Carribean Sun) usually has a ton of 1/2 tables, but rarely more than two or three 2/4 tables going at the same time.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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Ltrain
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10-23-2005, 12:21 AM
Post subject: Re: Should I move from .5/1 directly to 2/4?
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Yes, 2/4 can be very loose. You start to see some table variation though where you get a tight tables as well. The rake structure sucks at 1/2 and you see some weird aggression at that level; 2/4 plays more like .5/1.
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Basically, my idea was to play .5/1 until I had 1000$(which would mean about 25000 hands as I'm going) more for the number of hands than for the money, in order to get experience. Then, I thought I'd play 30.000 hands of 1/2 and providing I'm beating it move up to 2/4 after that.
However, the rake issues have caused me to consider this (I play at Party, so no rakeback), and I was thinking I COULD just play .5/1 until 1500$ (for a safe threshold over 300BB because of the big jump) and jump in at 2/4.
My main issue is whether it's too big a jump to make and I should just stick to my regular plan. |
I've really only played Party so I can't comment about the other sites. The key is getting comfortable with the limit. I increased my bankroll and jumped right into 2/4 because of the rake, but if you aren't comfortable with the increase you won't play very well.
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jmontis
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having at least a 300bb for any limit is a pretty safe amount, some pros recommend 500-1000bb once you get in the middle limit games.
the skill gap from .5-1 to 2-4 is hardly noticable, but with good game selection, honestly, you shouldn't see ANY skill change.
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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JJDylan
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2004
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the players are slightly better at 2/4...but the biggest thing you should be prepared for are the swings. i know my first -$100+ day was a shock for me when i moved up as i was used to losing no more than 50 bucks on my worst nights.
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The_Bankroll
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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yeah, the competition isn't that much better, but be prepared for the swings. the biggest limit swings I've ever heard of is +/- 150 BB, so you have to mentally prepared to win and lose up to $600 on a swing. and learning to handle wins is just as important as learning to handle losses.
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jmontis
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ya 2-4 was my first encounter with "oh my god i just lost $200" type swings, then you realize that's only 50 bets at 2-4.
wait til you play $3-6 6max or $5-10 
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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Hate
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Yeah, so since I can't just add to my bankroll to get to 300 BB for 2/4, I'll move up to 1/2 now and play it until I get the BR for 2/4 and not a second more.
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G_host
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Location: Sweden
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the players are slightly better at 2/4...but the biggest thing you should be prepared for are the swings. i know my first -$100+ day was a shock for me when i moved up as i was used to losing no more than 50 bucks on my worst nights.
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Are they? 
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , J .
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.
Flop: (18 SB) 3, J , Q (6 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.
Turn: (17 BB) 5 (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.
River: (25 BB) 2 (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Final Pot: 31 BB
Results in white below:
BB has 5c Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
UTG+1 has Qh Ac (one pair, queens).
Hero has Jd Jc (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 31 BB.
Just had to post this somewhere..BB is a 88%/5% over three orbits, UTG+1 44%/0%. Still I got afraid of QQ on the turn...
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Robert
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The Crypto network (eg, Carribean Sun) usually has a ton of 1/2 tables, but rarely more than two or three 2/4 tables going at the same time. |
Hows the 0.5/1 limit tables at crypto? Are they worth anything, or would it be better to play 05./1 at party?
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KoRnholio
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Robert
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
The Crypto network (eg, Carribean Sun) usually has a ton of 1/2 tables, but rarely more than two or three 2/4 tables going at the same time. |
Hows the 0.5/1 limit tables at crypto? Are they worth anything, or would it be better to play 05./1 at party? |
It's mostly a European site, so during the day (North America time) there are quite a few games. at 2pm EST right now there's 4 full ring FL .50/1 games going, plus a whole whack of games in other currencies (about 15 at .25/.50 pounds.. I think that works out to .40/.80 US$ or so).
They do the currency exchange for you onthe fly, but I have never played those games so I don't know if they ding you on the exchange rate or not. I do know that they charge $1 for a neteller withdrawl though...
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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pokerfanatic
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I was lucky enough to play 1/2 when party and skins were all together and I bonuses whored like a mad man... you don't have that luxury so much anymore... I would consider looking into sites such as PokerRoom, Crypto Sites, Prima Sites, and maybe Paradise (I don't remember what there 1/2 game is like)...
Or you can just play party and not worry about the rake... the rake sucks but the game is simple to beat... I played way to long at 1/2 before moving up, i think i pulled in at leas t50k hands of 1/2... you'll get bored out of you mind trying to make it to $1k BR @ 0.5/1 once you relize 1/2 is as soft as it is...
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move up as soon as you have the BR to do so, and are comfortable.
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KoRnholio
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Or at least take some stabs at moving up. It didn't take me too long at .5/1 to move up to 1/2 (thanks largely to bonuses), and then not all that long at 1/2 before I started playing 2/4.
I wouldn't recommend jumping directly to 2/4 though, since (as was said before) the swings are 4x larger $-wise.
I am fairly conservative, but I believe the "standard" 300bb bankroll is far too small, even for a full ring game. The problem is, you could move up and have a bad session or two, or it could well be that your skills aren't developed enough.
According to the general consensus, my BR is large enough for 5/10 or even larger games, but I am still mainly playing the 2/4 games where I am most comfortable. I've played a little 3/6 on select sites, but it is a fairly large step for me. It doesn't help that I have almost no info on all the new faces that play at those limits either.
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Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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The_Bankroll
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Athens, GA
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As far as Bankroll is concerned, I think it's slightly less important if you are comfortable with the jump, and are willing to move back down. for example, I started playing 2/4 with a 230BB bankroll, had a couple bad sessions, and dropped right back to 1/2 (where I still had over 300BB) then when I got some of my losses back, tried it again, and had a good enough session to put me over the 300BB mark for 2/4
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zilch
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Originally Posted by Robert
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Originally Posted by KoRnholio
The Crypto network (eg, Carribean Sun) usually has a ton of 1/2 tables, but rarely more than two or three 2/4 tables going at the same time. |
Hows the 0.5/1 limit tables at crypto? Are they worth anything, or would it be better to play 05./1 at party? |
I've been playing at a crypto skin for the last few months and the low limit games during the european evening are soft
Here are my stats so far (given the uk exchange rate the £.25/.50 is nearly $.5/1
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