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lzfsb3
Old 08-04-2006, 12:05 PM     Post subject: Should I have stuck with this hand longer? #1 (permalink)  

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After seeing the outcome of this hand I wondered if I should have stuck with it longer. I went on premise with ace showing and no set to get out. Wish I had stayed.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 6.
3 folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9, 7, A (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero folds, Button calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Button checks.

River: (3 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 3 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 8s Qs (one pair, nines).
Button has 8c Jd (one pair, nines).
Outcome: SB wins 3 BB.
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Old 08-04-2006, 01:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Easy fold IMO...

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Old 08-04-2006, 01:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You fold this hand, because the opponent is unknown. In limit hold-em, it is often correct to bet out the worst hand with outs from EP, if it will knock out better hands. This is what happened here. Bettor has a gutshot draw, and correctly bet into your pocket 66. Knowing this opponent is capable of this is your first step towards beating him longterm. For now you must fold. In the future you may make it 2-bets in the same spot with 66 against the same type of opponent. You may find that this same opponent likes to check raise top pair A or K from EP. Then you really have him screwed.
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Old 08-04-2006, 02:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Actually, the villain who bet had air, the guy who called had the gutshot.

Also, Raise this hand preflop plz.


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Old 08-04-2006, 04:06 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Calling is spewage even if EP bets no pair. An underpair to the board 4-way is not a hand to be calling bets on the flop with. Especially with such a tiny pot. And like jeff said, raise preflop.
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Old 08-04-2006, 05:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Raise this hand preflop plz.
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Old 08-05-2006, 07:16 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Er, the flop bettor has a flush draw, y'all.
Great summary, Rondavu.
Yes--raise pf 55 or better from the cutoff unless the blinds are very loose.
Fold the flop, and it's not close. This is a very small pot and one of the keys to winning at limit is to avoid calling to the river with hands like fourth pair that are strong favorites to lose.

Even though you folded what would have been the winning hand, it might help to note that any spade, any 8, any 10, any J, any Q beats you. If you don't improve your two (and a quarter) outer, you lose about 62 percent of the time.
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Old 08-05-2006, 11:02 PM #8 (permalink)  

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With underpairs like this, you either flop it or drop it. If you are playing low-limit and it is just one call on the flop, then maybe you stay in. However, that is it. You don't want to be raising with this hand.

Essentially, this is the same as having a 6, and then flopping another 6. You still have a bad hand, against some very good potential hands. Perhaps the only time you stay in, besides hitting the set, is if 4,5,7 flopped, and now you are sitting on the open-ended straight draw, with a good likelihood that no one else has a 6. That is probably the only time I would stay in past the flop with this hand without hitting the set.
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