Should i have raised the river?

**Hate** · 11-02-2005 05:34 PM

60% VPIP, 13%PFR, 1.00 PFAF

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, Q

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (14 SB) J

, 6

, A

(4 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 folds, SB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) A

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (22 BB) 2

(3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 28 BB

**rubixstreub** · 11-02-2005 05:45 PM

I wouldn't have.... nor do I think reraising the turn is smart... who are you beating here? AT?

Is reraising AQo from an UTG raiser a good idea? I usally let that go, although it looks like you've got a very LAggy table.

**pokerlearner** · 11-02-2005 05:55 PM

Did SB have pocket 6s. I wouldnt even raise the river..just call. but then maybe i am too weak.
based on turn action, I suspect SB filled up his set to full house rather than having trip aces....maybe i am worrying too much about monster under the bed...but if SB is not worried about you
(who reraised before the flop..thus could have AK or AQ...then that means he beats you).

just my 2 cents

**Hate** · 11-02-2005 06:00 PM

it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13.

**rubixstreub** · 11-02-2005 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Hate

it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13.

cold calling means nothing to these donks when all they see is potential (and when they have money already in the pot from the blinds). They're only playing their cards, not the situation.

"66, I can flop a set!"
"A6s, that can make a flush!"
"AJ is a great hand, what's being dominated?"

**Fnord** · 11-02-2005 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by RubixSoHo

I wouldn't have.... nor do I think reraising the turn is smart... who are you beating here?

Ax

I like the turn 3-bet, once he caps and it's heads-up to the river calling is probably best.

Originally Posted by Hate

it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13.

It was 3 bets when it got to him. He'll probably still play lots of crap, but won't cap into strength unless he's a "cap it for fun" kind of guy.

**Hate** · 11-02-2005 09:20 PM

Yup, i was expecting that to be the general answer(calling the river).
Anyway, for the record, he had JJ

11-02-2005 09:34 PM

My first thought was cap the river, but it probably makes sense to slow down due to the turn cap.

**rubixstreub** · 11-02-2005 09:41 PM

when i first read this I assumed the preflop UTG raiser was the same person at the showdown. Having the SB involved makes Ax much more possible.

Had the UTG shown you a raise on the turn do you 3-bet? This is why I questioned AT being the best hand you're betting at this point (or AQ for the tie)

**pokerfanatic** · 11-02-2005 11:35 PM

i call down when he caps the turn... maybe even muck given a good read...

**mike4066** · 11-03-2005 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

i call down when he caps the turn... maybe even muck given a good read...

Pots too fold for an online read.

**Demiparadigm** · 11-03-2005 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by mike4066

Pots too fold for an online read.

This wins the strangest post of the month award.

**pokerfanatic** · 11-03-2005 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Originally Posted by mike4066

Pots too fold for an online read.

This wins the strangest post of the month award.

i have no idea what that means either...

**gutshot** · 11-03-2005 02:53 AM

Just Wow.

**thenonsequitur** · 11-03-2005 04:34 AM

Maybe?:

Originally Posted by mike4066

Pot's too big to fold for an online read.

**mike4066** · 11-04-2005 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by thenonsequitur

Maybe?:

Originally Posted by mike4066

Pot's too big to fold for an online read.

DING DING DING We have a winner

I'm not sure at all what happened to the rest of my sentance. It must be internet lag

Only reason I knew that it was screwed up was Demi was kind enough to "Sig" it

11-02-2005 05:34 PM #1
Hate View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 318	Should i have raised the river? 60% VPIP, 13%PFR, 1.00 PFAF Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q. UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (14 SB) J, 6, A (4 players) SB bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 folds, SB calls, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (10 BB) A (3 players) SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero 3-bets, SB caps, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. River: (22 BB) 2 (3 players) SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls. Final Pot: 28 BB

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11-02-2005 05:45 PM #2
rubixstreub View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 927 Location Dallas, TX	I wouldn't have.... nor do I think reraising the turn is smart... who are you beating here? AT? Is reraising AQo from an UTG raiser a good idea? I usally let that go, although it looks like you've got a very LAggy table.
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11-02-2005 05:55 PM #3
pokerlearner View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2005 Posts 363 Location california	Did SB have pocket 6s. I wouldnt even raise the river..just call. but then maybe i am too weak. based on turn action, I suspect SB filled up his set to full house rather than having trip aces....maybe i am worrying too much about monster under the bed...but if SB is not worried about you (who reraised before the flop..thus could have AK or AQ...then that means he beats you). just my 2 cents

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11-02-2005 06:00 PM #4
Hate View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 318	it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13.

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11-02-2005 06:13 PM #5
rubixstreub View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 927 Location Dallas, TX	Originally Posted by Hate it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13. cold calling means nothing to these donks when all they see is potential (and when they have money already in the pot from the blinds). They're only playing their cards, not the situation. "66, I can flop a set!" "A6s, that can make a flush!" "AJ is a great hand, what's being dominated?"
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11-02-2005 06:48 PM #6
Fnord View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 19,381 Location I'll Do You Like A Truck	Originally Posted by RubixSoHo I wouldn't have.... nor do I think reraising the turn is smart... who are you beating here? Ax I like the turn 3-bet, once he caps and it's heads-up to the river calling is probably best. Originally Posted by Hate it's hard to imagine someone cold calling 3bets w/66(so stupid) or w/JJ(so weak) especially with his PFR% of 13. It was 3 bets when it got to him. He'll probably still play lots of crap, but won't cap into strength unless he's a "cap it for fun" kind of guy.
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11-02-2005 09:20 PM #7
Hate View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 318	Yup, i was expecting that to be the general answer(calling the river). Anyway, for the record, he had JJ

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11-02-2005 09:34 PM #8
Guest	My first thought was cap the river, but it probably makes sense to slow down due to the turn cap.

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11-02-2005 09:41 PM #9
rubixstreub View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 927 Location Dallas, TX	when i first read this I assumed the preflop UTG raiser was the same person at the showdown. Having the SB involved makes Ax much more possible. Had the UTG shown you a raise on the turn do you 3-bet? This is why I questioned AT being the best hand you're betting at this point (or AQ for the tie)
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11-02-2005 11:35 PM #10
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	i call down when he caps the turn... maybe even muck given a good read...
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11-03-2005 01:16 AM #11
mike4066 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,663	Originally Posted by pokerfanatic i call down when he caps the turn... maybe even muck given a good read... Pots too fold for an online read.

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11-03-2005 02:12 AM #12
Demiparadigm View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2005 Posts 1,963 Location Party 6 max	Originally Posted by mike4066 Pots too fold for an online read. This wins the strangest post of the month award.
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11-03-2005 02:24 AM #13
pokerfanatic View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 1,791 Location 6max limit tables	Originally Posted by Demiparadigm Originally Posted by mike4066 Pots too fold for an online read. This wins the strangest post of the month award. i have no idea what that means either...
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11-03-2005 02:53 AM #14
gutshot View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2004 Posts 579 Location lemonade was a popular drink and it still is	Just Wow.
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11-03-2005 04:34 AM #15
thenonsequitur View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2004 Posts 1,311 Location Location: Location	Maybe?: Originally Posted by mike4066 Pot's too big to fold for an online read.

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11-04-2005 10:13 PM #16
mike4066 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2003 Posts 1,663	Originally Posted by thenonsequitur Maybe?: Originally Posted by mike4066 Pot's too big to fold for an online read. DING DING DING We have a winner I'm not sure at all what happened to the rest of my sentance. It must be internet lag Only reason I knew that it was screwed up was Demi was kind enough to "Sig" it

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