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rmariani
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05-31-2005, 09:35 AM
Post subject: Should I have left earlier?
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 117
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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , J.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MP2 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (20 SB) 4, A, 8 (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (20 BB) 4 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
River: (33 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Final Pot: 37 BB
Results in white below:
BB has 8c 7h (two pair, eights and fours).
UTG+1 has Qc Qs (two pair, queens and fours).
MP2 has Ah 4h (full house, fours full of aces).
SB has Ac Kh (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 37 BB.
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Midwest
Posts: 392
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I dont like sticking around for a jammed pot with anything but the nut flush card...not to mention that with this kind of action you are probably gonna have to muck it if the board pairs.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Shark Bait
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 481
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people are going to get mad at you for all that calling. A lot of those situations you were in should have been raise or fold. But I have to admit, if it were me I probably would have folded to the first bet on the turn.
Not because I would fear any certain hand, just that you pretty much know the SB or MP2 is going to raise, making your flush draw even more expensive than 1 BB.
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rmariani
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Straight
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 117
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I think with a pot this big I'm calling if the board does not pair.
Is this too bad?
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poskid_1982
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Flush
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Midwest
Posts: 392
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The reason that I dont like the play is because the only way I'm going to do this much calling on a pure draw is if Im drawing to the nuts. I usually want two draws with at least one to the nuts...an OESDstr8/flush draw is a good example.
There is way too much action to not have a nut draw.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Room
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 197
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Fold preflop.
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Phyl
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 396
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The preflop cold-call is ok if you know you are likely to get a few more behind you, this move is very table dependant. Of course once you called the first two you have to call two more.
Flop play looks good.
I would fold to the first turn bet as it's really likely someone has a boat here and I don't want to pay multiple bets drawing dead. You definitely have to fold when it's 2BBs more to you.
If the turn card did not pair the board then call as many bets as you have to to see the river.
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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No fucking way you can fold the turn. The pot is too big.
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koolmoe
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Drowning in prosperity
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Even with a capped turn, Hero has more than enough pot odds to call. You can figure that out before the first bet is put in on the turn.
Thinking of folding the turn is clearly results-oriented thinking.
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Poker is freedom
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Phyl
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 396
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
No fucking way you can fold the turn. The pot is too big.
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Yeah, I've changed my mind about the first bet. For 20BBs this is worth a call.
But do you still want to call when it's two more back?
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Fnord
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Phyl
But do you still want to call when it's two more back?
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No, but I count the pot, cry and call.
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Phyl
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 396
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Phyl
But do you still want to call when it's two more back?
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No, but I count the pot, cry and call. |
I might be weak-tight here but even getting 15-1 on the second turn decision I'd fold. I think someone has a boat very often here and there's the potential of losing more bets on the river if you hit and it turned out you were drawing dead.
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gabe
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: trying to live
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Without a read, it would seem the BB might have two of your outs himself ...but he could just as easily be a fish calling down with 87o.
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