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zenbitz

10-28-2004, 08:22 PM Post subject: should I have laid KK down?

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My read on these two:
UTG+2: Loose Passive Chaser
MP1: Loose Chaser

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) Q

, K

, J

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 8

(3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (16.25 BB) A

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has Ac Tc (straight, ace high).
Hero has Kd Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 18.25 BB.

I guess when I was reraised I was pretty sure he had the AT, and no way was he laying down. But I still had 7 outs + runner-runners.

Probably had no business raising the turn or calling the river either.

edited by Fnord: cleaned up

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Nehmer

10-28-2004, 08:42 PM

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You definately shouldn't fold trip Ks. However, the fact that you capped the flop and he still came right out betting the turn means that he almost definately has that straight, so I would definately just call it down instead of doing any more raising unless the boat came out on the river.

zenbitz

10-28-2004, 08:53 PM

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Yeah, that turn raise was pure arrogance.
OTH - the guy showed the following garbage in 67 hands:

alessandro70 showed the following hands: ['9h,Kd', 'Ac,Qc', '7c,8s', '4h,7s', 'K
c,4d', '8d,Jh', 'Ks,6s', '2d,2c', '3c,Kh', '5s,5d', 'Ts,Js', 'Kd,4c', '8h,7s', '
Qh,2d', '9d,Kd', 'Qs,8s', 'Ac,Tc', 'As,8d', 'Qs,Qh', '7h,5h', 'Qh,9s', 'Ac,6h',
'8s,8c', '8c,5d', 'Jh,Kh']

So I just asssumed he was playing nonsense. HOWEVER, in those 67 hands he made _17_ raises (<11%), and most of them were in this hand.

Still I had drawing odds once we capped it.

Fnord

10-28-2004, 09:28 PM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

I play it the same. *Maybe* call down on the turn.

Folding at any point would be bad. Don't be so results oriented.

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