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elipsesjeff
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05-29-2005, 06:58 PM
Post subject: Should I be content with 10/20?
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I was reading at 2+2 about some guy 8 tabling 15/30 and I was like holy shit. Anyway, I'm thinking of building my BR back up to sit at that game, would probably take a month or so to do but I could sit back at pacific and SB right now if i needed. What do you think?
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What do you want to get out of poker? Money? The chance to play the best? Also, do you like the 2/3 blind structure? Do you like playing against opponents who's biggest flaw is over-playing their hands?
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I think you should move up limits as high as you can go as long as you remain properly bankrolled and can beat the games. So, if you think you can beat the 15/30 game, you might as well try. Otherwise stay at 10/20.
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If you have the BR take the shot, be prepared to take some massive swings though, and from what I can tell from everyone that has taken a shoot at the 15/30 they say you need 6max experience given the high aggression, and HU or 3 handed pots...
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Yeah, try 5/10 6 max before the Party 15/30. 10/20 6 max would also be a great proving ground. 2-3 handed pots against aggressive opposition is very different than playing against the school.
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give it a try. see how you do. once you have enough hands to see which is more profitable by the hour, go with that.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Yeah, try 5/10 6 max before the Party 15/30. 10/20 6 max would also be a great proving ground. 2-3 handed pots against aggressive opposition is very different than playing against the school.
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how many tables? how many hands?
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
how many tables?
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Start with 2, I have trouble playing more than 3 6 max tables, the action is a lot more intense and read-centric.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
how many hands?
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Lots and lots. You can easily drop $1000 in an hour multi-tabling 5/10 6 max.
If you want to start with a softer 6 max game with less GAMB00L, try the PokerStars 2/4 game for 1-2k hands.
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Why should you ever be content in poker?
Of course try out $15/$30, aslong as you have the bankroll and believe you can beat it. Also you need to be mentally prepared and willing to lose more money through swings than you are used to.
By the way, the $15/$30 game is much more aggressive and has huge swings
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Jeff,
For what it's worth, I've only been posting here for a short period of time, but you have always had meaningful discussion on tough poker hands posted here. I think you are well prepared with respect to skill level to step into the 15/30 game. Best of luck.
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Thanks for the advice guys, i've been practicing my 6 max on the party 5/10 tables and have found success so far. Up about 40 BB in just a couple hours. I'm changing tables when I feel like they are getting tired of running them over and will check raise me. Although I did run into a check raise bluff....Called that biatch down and won with middle pair with an Ace on the board.
So far, this is what I'm raising: A9o and up from any position. Any two broadways. Any pocket pair. Any suited Ace. Basically, everything that SSH says to play on a loose table I'm raising on the 6 max table. I just dont know what hands I should be limping with, as I'm not doing much of that.
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You're playing too loose, but might have run into some tigher tables. Consider that most opponents in that game are generally playing too many hands and calling/raising too much.
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Having played 5/10 6max, 10/20 6 max, and 15/30 full, I would say that 10/20 6 max is closer to 15/30 full. There are too many passive players in 5/10 to give you the real feel of 15/30.
FWIW, I really don't like the 15/30 game, mostly because of the variance. 300 BB is nowhere near enough for that game, IMO.
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I'm running 28/19 right now after a small sample. You're right they call me down way too much which is a break from the 5/10 full games. The full games they hardly ever call down but these games are much more likely to call you down with any pair.
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If you run Playerview, modify your layout to include WtSD%. I often see players going to showdown 60-70% of the time with AF's of 0.5 or so. Just make a hand and value bet these guys. Save the postflop aggression for the 30-40% WtSD guys.
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8-tabling? Sheesh. I wonder if he'd increase his earnings by cutting back on the number of tables...
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
So far, this is what I'm raising: A9o and up from any position. Any two broadways. Any pocket pair. Any suited Ace. Basically, everything that SSH says to play on a loose table I'm raising on the 6 max table. I just dont know what hands I should be limping with, as I'm not doing much of that. |
Hi Jeff
I'd be careful with raising any suited Ace from UTG and MP. Suited cards go way down in value 6 max, so you have to keep in mind you are playing a weak ace with only about a 6% of hitting a flush, and that includes runner-runner flushes that you probably would have folded down prior to making. With two offsuit cards you have a 2% chance of making a flush, so you are really only looking at a 4% greater chance of making the flush than with two suited cards. That 20 to 1 edge is not much 6 handed.
I have made my weak Axs hands more profitable by limping in. This allows me to see the flop cheaper, and it also helps the liklihood of multi-way pots, which as you know is what you want with the nut flush.
Another big problem is if you have raise PF with A5s, and get 3 bet before the flop, and the flop comes AJ8 rainbow.......how good to you feel about leading with a bet from EP? If you do, how will you handle a raise? Or, are you going to check/call to the end and find out what you already knew..the 3 better had AK, AQ, AJ etc.....
IMO you'll make more but playing weak Axs passively pre-flop...
They are nice money makers if you win, but too many people overplay weak suited aces pre-flop, and get caught with hands they can't let go. In fact, if you run into any player over 35%VP you can gaurantee they are playing weak aces (suited or unsuited).
Also, raising any two broadways and small pairs EP is -EV in the opinion of many who play 6H. J10os, and Q10os (for example) are clear folds UTG six max, and I am 28 to 31% VP, so I'm not tight.
No offence, but it sounds like you are trying to determine your 6max hands by loosening your 10H requirements, but there is more too it than that.
With that said, from what I have seen you post, and the solid advice you have given, I think you'd be a winner at 10/20 or 15/30 10Handed. However, I don't think 15/30 can/should be played multi-table ABC..... unless the player is really awesome.
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Yeah, thanks for the comments again. I'm still working on my starting hand selection and my 6 max experience is pretty slim. That being said, I'm trying to get in the habit of raising more marginal hands in 6 max because of where it will be needed in 15/30 full.
I'm working on my reading ability of other players and I'm raising these hands above when first in and not after a limper. I'm still working on my limping hands, although in most cases I'd rather isolate an opponent with a raise than lose my position on him.
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