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Old 01-23-2005, 08:45 PM     Post subject: This should be good for a laugh. #1 (permalink)  
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Well, save a HU match with an unknown 2+2er and those FTR limit tables, this was my first romp into limit-dom. Ignoring small sample size, am I on the right track?

VP$IP 24.29
Won 29 BB in 69 mins (Short session but I got bored)
PFR% 11.43
W$SD 71.43

WSD% 33.33
W$WSD 42.86
(Steal blinds%) 66.67
Fold SB/BB to steal 0.00
41.43BB/100 (Yuuuuup.)

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Hand 1

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, J.
UTG folds, Hero folds...

Didn't want to limp and didn't think raising was a good move.

Hand 2

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 3.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 9, 3, 9 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, CO folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

I figured a 9 would show itself on the flop or turn and a flush draw would pay.

Hand 3

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Preflop: Hero is CO with T, Q.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K, 4, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 3.50 BB

Stealin the blinds and figured my hand was best post flop.

Hand 4

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A, J.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 9, 3, A (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (9.75 BB) J (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.75 BB) 4 (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

I was pretty confident I had way the best of it on the flop. My only fear was A9s. The turn made me happy.

Hand 5

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9, 3, 6 (5 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7 (4 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

River: (9 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB bets, MP2 raises, SB calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Figured I could try to turn a pair.

Hand 6

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A, 6, K (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls, Button folds.

Turn: (3.75 BB) A (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

River: (6.75 BB) J (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

Fold to the river? I have almost no hope of having the best hand, right?

Hand 7

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4.
UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero folds...

My only chance was to set, I felt.

Hand 8

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 4.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) A, 5, Q (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP3 folds, Button folds, Hero folds...

I didn't like the board.

Hand 9

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J, Q.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 6, Q, 6 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Button bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (9 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

Button is Jeff. Getting owned. Did I extract maximum value and protect my hand?

Hand 10

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, 9.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4, 2, A (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (5.75 BB) K (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Blind steal preflop. Tried to make crub frush draws pay.

Hand 11

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 7.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 3, 8, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 6 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Bad call preflop? 4 way pot, I figure if I make a little something, I could win a nice one. Flopped what I figured to be the best pair on a low board and decided to start puttin money in. Made 2 pair and it was folded around.

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Old 01-23-2005, 09:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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bah i need a homework break;

stats:
too loose
too aggressive preflop
but given the small sample size we can't conclude anything. 0.5/1 is easy enough to play 20% of hands. 25% is already stepping into 6max VPIP stats

hand1: fold

hand2: i fold this even in the SB, not a fan of the bet or the 3bet, i'd just fold because the pot is small anyways

hand3: well played

hand4: the flop cap may be overly aggressive, you may be up against AK or AQ, the rest is standard

hand5: fine

hand6: i'd check raise this hand and go from there

hand7: good fold

hand8: good fold

hand9: well played

hand10: well played

hand11: pretty loose preflop call...i'd be more inclined to fold. the flop raise was overly aggressive. you have mid pair, on a straight and flush board. i would probably fold both preflop and on the flop.
 
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:31 PM #3 (permalink)  

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I'm certainly no expert, but here are my thoughts.

Hand 1: Raise. You have the button and QJ is a decent hand 4-handed.

Hand 2: I wouldn't complete A3o with an early limper personally, but it's probably ok with only two opponents. On the flop you're out of position and the pot is small. The flop bet is ok, but when you get a caller and then a raise you have to assume you're behind here. You only have 4 or 5 outs to two pair, but if someone has a 9, you're toast. You're also behind to any pocket pair 44 or higher. UTG+1 could be on a flush draw but the pot's too small and your hand too marginal to pay 2+big bets to find out. I'd fold.

Hand 3: Fine.

Hand 4: I wouldn't have capped the flop. You raised preflop after a limper, you raise a ragged flop with an ace, and you get three bet. There's a very good chance you're either outkicked (at these limits many weak players don't raise preflop with AK or AQ). You could be up against two pair or a set. There are no likely draws, so what else could he be three-betting you with? I'd call and hope a jack comes on the turn. If it doesn't I'd be looking to fold.

Hand 5: Fine.

Hand 6: Small multiway pot, you're out of position with a marginal hand. The flop is coordinated and is likely to have hit at least one person. You're very probably behind to an ace. A flush draw is slightly less likely since you hold one of the suit. Since the pot is so small I'd probably just check and see what happens. If it's checked to the button who bets I might think about checkraising since I have outs to two pair and a possible weak flush redraw. But if you folded to a button bet here you probably wouldn't be making a big mistake. As it was played I'd have check/called the turn and check/folded the river if I didn't improve.

Hand 7: Definitely fold.

Hand 8: Personally I'd need more limpers than this to play such a weak hand, even from the SB. On the flop you're out of position, small pot, poor hand. Good fold.

Hand 9: Fold preflop. A checkraise on the flop is risky since the pot is large and the flop has a flush draw, but there's no better way to protect your hand. Since the button raised preflop he's likely to bet. Nice play.

Hand 10: Since 3 of your 4 opponents folded here, then the blind steal was a good idea. I usually need ATo to raise in this position.

Hand 11: Personally I'd fold preflop here. I'd call T9s with three in front though.
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Raise. You have the button and QJ is a decent hand 4-handed.
It was actually 10 or 9 handed I just endered in the text up to where I folded so only the blinds and UTG were accounted for in the converter.

Still raise?

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Hand 1: Raise. You have the button and QJ is a decent hand 4-handed.
It was actually 10 or 9 handed I just endered in the text up to where I folded so only the blinds and UTG were accounted for in the converter.

Still raise?

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hmmm for some reason i thought you were UTG....if it's folded to you, raise to steal the blinds. QJ is a monster vs just blinds
 
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I'm utg+1.

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Hand 1: RAISE! I steal with A LOT worse.
Hand 2: Fold pre-flop. Fold to the flop raise, you're way behind or a little ahead in a small pot
Hand 3: Good monkey
Hand 4: Hmmm.... flop is interesting and with no draws I would be concerned. These guys too often just call AK/AQ... hmmm... one alternative is to let someone else drive leading into the turn so you can pop it again for a bigger bet.
Hand 5: Well played
Hand 6: I get in trouble in these spots too. Maybe check/fold the turn but that's so f'n weak. Reads help alot. Against players with calling standards you can fold that turn.
Hand 7: Standard
Hand 8: Fold pre-flop. Flop is standard
Hand 9: Fold pre-flop unless the button is really aggro.
Hand 10: I only open A9o from the CO/Button and that might be too loose. Everything else is standard.
Hand 11: Fold pre-flop, not enough chance to make up value post-flop. Well played post-flop.
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I'd call and hope a jack comes on the turn. If it doesn't I'd be looking to fold.
If you fold that hand for 1 bet on any street you should do us both a favor and transfer your bankroll to my account.
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I'm utg+1.

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in that case the converter screwed up...muck it UTG1
 
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If you fold that hand for 1 bet on any street you should do us both a favor and transfer your bankroll to my account.
The problem is, if you see the turn you're committed to seeing the river. So it's not 1 bet, it's 2. In fact, since it's three handed on the flop there's no saying the turn won't be raised. Are you going to call that down too? If it was heads up or there were other draws possible, I'd call it down.

Imo, when you play potentially dominated hands aggressively preflop, you play aggressively on the flop, there are no other draws available and you get three-bet in a multiway pot, you're beaten more often than not. What do you think he's three betting with here?
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The problem is, if you see the turn you're committed to seeing the river. So it's not 1 bet, it's 2.
Yup and you have good pot odds taking that to showdown for 2 BB.

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In fact, since it's three handed on the flop there's no saying the turn won't be raised. Are you going to call that down too? If it was heads up or there were other draws possible, I'd call it down.
I said 1 bet on any street. If someone else wakes up, dump it.

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Imo, when you play potentially dominated hands aggressively preflop, you play aggressively on the flop, there are no other draws available and you get three-bet in a multiway pot, you're beaten more often than not. What do you think he's three betting with here?
In limit "more often than not" does not make for a good fold. As for what he's 3-betting well it's online, no read and it's the flop. All kinds of random stuff makes that 3-bet. In a live game I'd be more inclined to make that laydown.
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Yup and you have good pot odds taking that to showdown for 2 BB.
Not if you're behind. If he has two pair with an ace, or AK/AQ, you're drawing to three outs. If he has a lower set, you're drawing to two outs. In the unlikely event he has rockets, you're drawing dead. In the best case you need about 15:1 effective odds to call. If he has a set you need about 23:1.

As it was played, if it was checked to the BB who bets you'd likely be getting about 11:1 from the pot (or 12:1 if the other player calls as well). So to call you need to be making another 3 big bets or so after the turn to break even, more to profit. Is this likely?

It seems to me you're calling this down only because you're not sure you're behind. But I'd say that the fact you raised preflop, and then are bet into by UTG+2, and then you're 3-bet by the button SHOWS you that you're behind. The pot would have to be larger before I call him down.

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for what he's 3-betting well it's online, no read and it's the flop. All kinds of random stuff makes that 3-bet.
Such as? Given the way the hand played out, what could he be 3-betting you with here that you can beat? Do you really think he'd 3-bet with a lower pair?

I don't know, maybe I'm giving the button too much credit here, it's a while since I've played at these limits. These games can be pretty crazy.
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