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Excel
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02-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Post subject: shorthand pre flop different from late position full ring?
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As we all know, especially beginners like myself to 6 max poker, theres not much info on how to best play 6 player max games, especially pre flop.
Would I be going far wrong if I played it just like I would in each position of a full ring game in the last 4 positions and everyone has so far folded?
If not why not? Whats the differnces between short handed (6 max) play and late position play on a full ring table? Especially pre flop?
Im mainly talking positions excluding the blinds which I realise may have to adapted, especially if constant blind steals,
May seem a stupid question, but its not as if any respected name has ever written in depth on the short hand strategy of limit poker, but its alot easier to study late position play.
Also I realise 6 player games are more about playing the player and that post flop top pair is higher valued than it would be in a full ring game etc,
It seems to me that pre flop, players recommend playing tighter in short handed than they would if in late position of a full ring table, am I right in this? By tight I mean 23-25% VP$IP
Another example, pocket pairs, in a full ring game if someone from late middle raised, I would fold middle and low pocket pairs to a raise, but in short handed players seem to recommend calling or reraising, why not fold those pairs?
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Would I be going far wrong if I played it just like I would in each position of a full ring game in the last 4 positions and everyone has so far folded?
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you'd be more or less correct, but open raise.
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If not why not? Whats the differnces between short handed (6 max) play and late position play on a full ring table? Especially pre flop?
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you're much more likely to be in position outside of the blinds shorthanded, then full ring. that's why it's important to raise first in to buy the button.
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It seems to me that pre flop, players recommend playing tighter in short handed than they would if in late position of a full ring table, am I right in this? By tight I mean 23-25% VP$IP
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i don't know where you got this, but shorthanded you play many more hands. most TAGs have a 15% VPIP for full ring. playing at 25% you're already playing almost double the amount of hands.
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Another example, pocket pairs, in a full ring game if someone from late middle raised, I would fold middle and low pocket pairs to a raise, but in short handed players seem to recommend calling or reraising, why not fold those pairs?
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no calling, just raise or fold. there's not enough other players to give you enough implied odds.
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Excel
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i don't know where you got this, but shorthanded you play many more hands. most TAGs have a 15% VPIP for full ring. playing at 25% you're already playing almost double the amount of hands.
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15% for the full ring game, but I was highlighting the last 4 positions when first in, then surely those 4 positions would be way higher VP$IP 15%
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Originally Posted by Excel
15% for the full ring game, but I was highlighting the last 4 positions when first in, then surely those 4 positions would be way higher VP$IP 15%
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full ring, early positions hover around low 10's, and late positions go to high 10's, but rarely over 20 except for the CO and button.
shorthanded is 15 to 25 (or more if your postflop is superior)
full ring is still tighter regardless if you're first in or not in those last 4 positions.
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Full ring is tighter because you have to muck lots of playable late position stuff to early position raises. Particularly as the table gets more aggro. Not a whole lot of hands play well against a legit raise, even with position.
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Excel
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i know that FNORD, but im talking about when all players up have folded and only the last 4 players are left to make a decision 2 late middles and 2 lates,
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It's similar but hands you would limp with in a full game become raiseing hands in a 6max game.
In a full game people are usually playing to a stricter hand list. In 6max people know that you are playing and raiseing looser and call / raise more themselves...
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