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tbone
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03-22-2007, 02:14 PM
Post subject: Short handed
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I was hoping to get a little advice on 6max 10/20 game. I play mostly 10/20 10max ring games and have a good pos BB/100 over 46000 hands after using poker tracker but its hard to find a 10max game. Most of them are 6max which seems full of maniacs which I know can be a good thing if you are in position. But I seemed to be getting schooled with 4 players seeing the flop after a preflop raise. AK AQ QQ JJ 1010 are almost always gonna be beat against 4 players seeing the flop when you have all 4 players calling your continuation bet with 2 of them on some kinda runner runner draw giving the other two maniacs the pot odds to hit their 2nd pair holdong A6 off suite. When Im in this situation I wanna get up and move to another table but man it seems like all the 6max games are like this. Am I the only one getting schooled?
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euphoricism
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Drop down a few levels and post some hands.
If youre finding 10/20 games that are still 4 to the flop regularly .. man.. you should NOT be upset. Thats like holy-grail kinda shit.
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NWNewell
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I agree with euphor.
Drop down to 2/4 or 3/6 and practice some 6max at those stakes. If you are use to playing FR, SH is a completely different animal.
I made the same mistake when I tried switching to six max. I well rolled for 5/10 and a little short for 10/20 and was playing 5/10 and always taking shots at 10/20 (usually successfully). So, I figured if I could play at those stakes FR, then I could do it short handed. Well, I proceeded to flush my BR down the drain (most of it anyway). And worse yet, not only did I flush my roll, but I picked up some bad habits from not learning to play 6max correctly from the start as well as tilting away my roll.
I'm still trying to rebuild my roll and shake off some bad LAGG habits I picked up from my 6max debacle.
Don't make the same mistake I did!!
If I were you (or I did it over again), recommend dropping down to at least 3/6 while you practice and establish a winrate over a reasonable number of hands.
And post some hand histories. GL
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bigspenda73
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Not to upset OP but you really do not sound like someone who is ready to play 10/20 unless you are really young or your writing skills are just not up to par.
I disagree with the 2 above because if you have an edge at the 10/20 game you need to take it NOW. If 67% of players are seeing flops you need to stick around b/c who knows when these games may dry up in the future. Take advantage of your edges now because they may not be there when you come back.
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NWNewell
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Not to upset OP but you really do not sound like someone who is ready to play 10/20 unless you are really young or your writing skills are just not up to par.
I disagree with the 2 above because if you have an edge at the 10/20 game you need to take it NOW. If 67% of players are seeing flops you need to stick around b/c who knows when these games may dry up in the future. Take advantage of your edges now because they may not be there when you come back.
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Just because they are seeing 67% of the flops doesn't mean he has the edge. If he is not adjusting to correct 6max strategy, then may not have the edge even at the 67%. Granted, 67% is very high and will make up for poor play. But his incorrect 6max play may cause him to be just about breakeven even at 67%. So, he picks up bad habits and doesn't learn proper 6max play. Then what happens when the 67% drops and doesn't make up for the inferior play? He gets stuck and drops a ton just like I did.
Not saying that it would definitely happen to the OP or that he plays 6max that poorly. But as a general rule, I think it's sound advice to start out in the lower stakes when transitioning to a new game, even if you are rolled for higher stakes. FR to 6max, limit to NL, etc.
Thought I was a pretty decent player, did well at FR working my way up fot about 5k and jumped too quickly to 6max at the same stakes. Simply speaking from my own experience, I think it was a big mistake.
If I were him, I'd put in about 10k hands at 3/6, see if I could turn a profit and post hand histories long the way. And if it appears I have picked it a decent strategy foundation, I would then move up to 5/10 for a few thousand hands, and then to 10/20. He could make the transition from10/20 FR to 10/20 SH in maybe about 15k hands if he adjusts correctly. And do it safely and correctly without risking too much BR during the transition.
But to each his own... that's just my two cents for what it's worth....
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elipsesjeff
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10/20 6max is a beast of a game, full of gambling maniacs that play pretty well in position. I'd even go so far as start at 3/6 6 max and get used to the crazies down there before moving up. FWIW, It took me about 3 months and 90k hands to figure out how to beat the 10/20 game, as there is SO much to focus on, blind play especially.
If you want to find good FR games, I'd suggest moving up limits to 30/60 or so and find games there, and start with non-US based sites if at all possible.
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