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fooo

05-24-2006, 07:39 PM Post subject: several hands from early position/blinds

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I think I could use a lot of improvement on handling some of these early position hands. They're mostly trash hands for free in the big blind that I'm catching a piece on the flop, and some marginal hands. Comments greatly appreciated.

1. Hero dealt 6h 4h in BB.
UTG+1, MP call, MP+1 raises, CO, BN call, Hero (BB) calls, UTG+1, MP call.
--> figured there'd be enough bets in with the calls behind to make the tiny suited 1-gapper worth it for half price.

[11 SB] Flop: 7c 5d 3d
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP calls, 2 folds, BN calls, Hero raises, UTG+1, MP, BN call.

[9.5 BB] Turn: 7c 5d 3d Qc
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, MP calls, BN folds

[12.5 BB] River: 7c 5d 3d Qc Jc
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP folds, Hero calls.

--> Re-raise river? Fold river?

2. Garbage flop steal attempt
Hero dealt Qd Td in BB.
4 callers, Hero checks.

[4 SB] Flop: 3d 2s 2h
Hero bets, 3 folds, BN calls.

[3 BB] Turn: 3d 2s 2h 3c
Hero bets, BN raises, Hero folds.

3. TP no kicker, rags flop
Hero dealt 8c 6s in BB.
5 callers, Hero checks.

[5 SB] Flop: 6c 5d 2h
Checked to BN, BN bets, Hero raises, 4 folds, BN calls.

[4.5 BB] Turn: 6c 5d 2h 5h
Hero bets, BN calls

[6.5 BB] River: 6c 5d 2h 5h As
Hero bets, BN calls

4. TP, GK in raised pot from SB
Hero dealt Kd Jd in SB.
2 callers, MP+1 raises, 2 more calls, Hero calls, 2 calls -- 5 to the flop

-> figured the 2 original callers were definitely calling (which they did),
making my slightly discounted 1.7 bets to call OK on the big suited 1-gapper,
even out of position.

[9 SB] Flop: Kc Th 6h
Hero bets, 3 call including initial raiser.

[6.5 BB] Turn: Kc Th 6h 5c
Hero checks, MP bets, MP+1 (initial raiser) folds, BN calls, Hero calls

[9.5 BB] River: Kc Th 6h 5c 9c
Hero bets, MP raises, BN folds, Hero calls.

5. Weak ace for free in big blind
Hero dealt As 7h in BB.
4 callers, Hero checks.

[4 SB] Flop: As 6d Th
Hero bets, 2 callers.

[3.5 BB] Turn: As 6d Th 8h
Hero bets, MP raises, BN folds, Hero folds.

6.
Hero dealt 4h 2c in BB.
4 callers, Hero checks.

[5 SB] Flop: Td Th 2s
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, 3 folds, Hero folds.

7. Hero dealt As Kh UTG
Hero raises, 3 callers.

[4 SB] Flop: Td 6h 3s
Hero checks, 3 checks behind.

[2 BB] Turn: Td 6h 3s Kc
3 checks, BN bets, Hero raises, 2 folds, BN calls.

[6 BB] River: Td 6h 3s Kc 9s
Hero bets, BN folds.

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05-24-2006, 10:04 PM

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Hand 1: I sometimes lead this flop. 3-bet river, he doesn't have the backdoor flush often enough after donking the flop.
Hand 2: Meh, I usually don't do this into 3 players.
Hand 3: Full table, I don't like the river bet. Almost all of his call-down range beats you and the rest didn't get there.
Hand 4: I check the flop to see what's up. Once I put my foot on the gas, I'm continuing on the turn and probably the river too.
Hand 5: Standard. Need cause to show this down.
Hand 6: For what it's worth UTG doesn't have a Ten, but you're still screwed. I check/fold this flop.
Hand 7: FPS. I would just lead the turn.

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05-25-2006, 12:53 AM

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Hand 1: leading flop fine, check raising fine, 3-bet can be okay on the river, but you should know that you absolutely cannot fold

Hand 2: is ok, but as Fnord said, usually not a good idea. You did well to give it up on the turn. Better to err on the side of aggression IMO.

Hand 3: If this was a 6max table, I would like the river bet, but too likely opponent has an Ace here at full ring. Big thing to me is I don't like the flop play in an unraised pot 6-way. Too likely to get several callers and then you are going to get outdrawn.
Hand 4 looks fine to me
Hand 5, with top pair lousy kicker plus the gutshot, I think a fold here is wrong.
Hand 6, you've got bottom pair no kicker, what are you doing?
Hand 7 bet the flop, bet the turn. Aggression pays.

dumbmrblah

05-25-2006, 01:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 4: I check the flop to see what's up. Once I put my foot on the gas, I'm continuing on the turn and probably the river too.

Hand 6: For what it's worth UTG doesn't have a Ten, but you're still screwed. I check/fold this flop.

Two quick questions.

On hand four, are you checking to see what the preflop raiser does? I can' t see anyone else being ahead of you consistently enough to worry about. Do you plan on check-raising the flop? My line here would either be bet out and get scared of a raise, or check raise and get scared of a three bet. With two hearts on board I don't want to see this checked through, there are too many backdoor draws that might hit. I'm sure I'm missing something, but I wouldn't mind a more elaborate explanation of what's going on here.

On hand six, I like your reasoning that he doesn't have a ten, I assume you're saying that because he would have called, hoping for overcalls, and waited for the turn to pop it?

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05-25-2006, 01:21 AM

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On hand four, are you checking to see what the preflop raiser does?

The PFR is going to bet and I want to see how the field reacts and how he reacts when I probably check/raise him. Bet/fold is terrible because you're giving up in this huge pot after building it a little bigger. I can see getting action here that gets me away from my hand for zero bets.

If I'm going to be a slave to the pot-size I may as well either build a big one or go for a chance to confront players with 2 bets cold. Sometimes I'll even peel a turn card and check/raise it there knowing that my action will still get worse hands to call, take away river cards from others and freeze up better hands.

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Originally Posted by dumbmrblah

On hand six, I like your reasoning that he doesn't have a ten, I assume you're saying that because he would have called, hoping for overcalls, and waited for the turn to pop it?

Yeah, pretty much always. This is so predictable that you can 3-bet and cold call what figures to be a better 2-pair here and then get really worried if anyone else gets involved.

I put him on a pocket pair. Something like 55 or 88ish, maybe Ax like 10%ish of the time. He might think he's repping something bigger, but in any case you're almost always on 2 outs or dead. Playing back at him without a read at these stakes probably won't pan out either because after investing in a raise he'll probably show it down with 2 outs to the over-full.

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05-25-2006, 05:58 PM

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Hand 4 you can't lead the flop and check/call an essentially raggy turn. Either keep going on the turn, or go for the c/r, but note that your lead on the flop and check on the turn makes your intentions pretty obvious.

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