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Old 03-12-2009, 02:28 PM     Post subject: set on coordinated board #1 (permalink)  
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CO 65/10/0.39 ( 94 hands)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8, 8
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10 SB) 7, 8, 9 (3 players)
SB bets, CO calls, Hero ?
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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cap PF

as played, call flop, pop a blank/pair the board turn
if coordinated turn, call and hope the board pairs
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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cap PF

as played, call flop, pop a blank/pair the board turn
if coordinated turn, call and hope the board pairs
Before you say cap pre-flop, shouldn't you want to have some reads on Villain's 3-betting range? Pocket 8's is far from an automatic cap on the tables I play at-- some players are only 3-betting with AA or KK and a number of other players are only 3-betting with hands that either beat 88 or are at best a coinflip.
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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cap PF

as played, call flop, pop a blank/pair the board turn
if coordinated turn, call and hope the board pairs
Before you say cap pre-flop, shouldn't you want to have some reads on Villain's 3-betting range? Pocket 8's is far from an automatic cap on the tables I play at-- some players are only 3-betting with AA or KK and a number of other players are only 3-betting with hands that either beat 88 or are at best a coinflip.
you have got to be kiddin me! this is 6max, you have position!
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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sorry for the unconstructive post.

So, i'll explain a bit my thoughts on this.

I dont believe you need reads to cap here. Imo, you need reads NOT to cap here. You do have position, will have the initiative, and are holding a top 10 holdem hand in a 6max game (Full ring would be different).

Also, there is a limper there who called the 3bet (very dead money). You dont always have the best hand here, but you will clearly win this pot more than your share 3ways. Clear raise for value, imo.

Postflop issues will be a different story, and against a total rock, i may (very seldom) just call.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:10 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Also, there is a limper there who called the 3bet (very dead money). You dont always have the best hand here, but you will clearly win this pot more than your share 3ways. Clear raise for value, imo.
460,737,834,480 games 825.578 secs 558,079,108 games/sec
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.995% 18.59% 00.40% 85669394604 1846952268.00 { 77-22, A9s-A2s, K9s-K2s, Q9s-Q2s, J2s+, T2s+, 94s+, 84s+, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, ATo-A2o, KJo-K2o, Q4o+, J6o+, T7o+, 97o+, 86o+, 76o }
Hand 1: 48.724% 48.41% 00.31% 223065092112 1427085270.00 { 99+, ATs+, KQs, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 32.281% 32.09% 00.19% 147836853300 892456926.00 { 88 }
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:56 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Stox's 3betting range against a btn raise:

22+, A3o+, K9o+, A2s+, K7s+, Q9s+, JTs

stove it again and consider this a tight range, i 3bet wider here.
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Old 03-13-2009, 08:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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oh, and considering YOUR 3bet range, it is still a profitable cap, since your EX-SD value is +++ because of position AND initiative
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