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Chopper

06-03-2007, 02:12 AM Post subject: session review II

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PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with T

, 7

.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) T

, T

, A

(4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, CO folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) Q

(3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG folds.

River: (8.20 BB) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

my guess is here i should just bet straight out on flop. my initial thinking was wait for turn and lead, taking away odds to flush. but, in a 6.5 BB pot on turn, i cannot take any odds away, so i may as well have been charging the whole way, yes?

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J

, A

.
2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, CO caps, BB calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16.40 SB) A

, 9

, K

(4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, BB folds, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9.70 BB) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

River: (12.70 BB) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: 12.70 BB

i open-limp here to wait for the aggro to raise, so i can slip in there unnoticed or 3bet w/ slight equity advantage in a big pot.

i go passive because i cant bump anything out, and doubt TPGK is good w/ a 7-player cap job pf. should i have continued to bet? still cant believe it held w/o being at least bluffed at.

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 5

, A

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 3

, T

, 7

(4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, CO 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, CO calls, BB calls.

Turn: (11.20 BB) 4

(4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, CO calls, BB folds.

River: (14.20 BB) 9

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 17.20 BB

i 3bet flop b/c i know no one is folding with all the overs out there, and want to build a monster for the turn.

i should have raised turn? but i didnt want a fold when i could likely look scared of the flush, and get an extra bet on river if not paired.

backfired, didnt feel confident in c/r and couldnt sleep if i let two streets go for cheap with the nuts.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q

, Q

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, 4 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A

, Q

, J

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (6.25 BB) T

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Check/call river? or bet/fold?

i dont like missing value, and hindsight is 20/20, but i cant help but think i have a habit of checking the river for fear i was drawn out on, and am going to get raised on the river.

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bigspenda73

06-03-2007, 02:21 AM

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c/r the flop in hand 1

Hand 2 is fine

Raise the turn in hand 3

Bet the turn and river in hand 4

NWNewell

06-03-2007, 02:31 AM

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Fold hand 1 preflop. If you are going to slowplay that flop and get MP2 to bit, go for a c/r somewhere.

Raise hand 2.... raise pf.

And 3 I'm not limping. only one limper so far, and it's uncertain what the action behind you is going to be. Don't even play this hand.

Hand 4 is fine preflop and flop. I b/c the turn and b/f? the river.

My "Operation Come Back" Thread: Interupted.

bigspenda73

06-03-2007, 02:41 AM

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Lollaments, I didn't even look at PF.

Ragnar4

06-03-2007, 08:42 AM

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Hand one. Betting out on the flop may have gotten a raise from MP2. That would have helped to better protect against draws. But the only draw your protecting against if you bet, and he raises is the gutshot straight draw. Surprise, surprise KJ becomes a better hand on the turn. But I think it's pretty standard the way you played it. River may be a check/call situation in higher limits where the only guy that would ever call you has you beat.
I agree with folding preflop here. I'm not a fan of gettin' silly with my play until the exact middle of MP.

Hand 2. The only question I have is: Why are you willing to be Aggressive with AJs if you aren't willing to re-raise the flop when you catch? All the players in the world, a checkraise is worth a million words here.

Hand 3. Just about as early as you can come into a hand with AXs. Raising on the flop is good. I think re-raising the turn is worthwhile too, here. In hopes of getting into a pissing match with the original raiser. I also like to be aggressive whenever I get the opportunity.

Hand 4.
Things don't get dicey till the turn, I'd bet/call turn, and depending on how my opponent handled it would determine how I play it. If he only calls, I'd bet/call. If he raises, I'd check/fold.

The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?

littleogre

06-03-2007, 11:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

c/r the flop in hand 1

Hand 2 is fine

Raise the turn in hand 3

Bet the turn and river in hand 4

shouldn't he have folded hand 1 pf?

bigspenda73

06-03-2007, 03:08 PM

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omg do not B/f the QQ hand on anystreet at this level. B/C turn c/c river or bet turn and b/c river.

Chopper

06-03-2007, 09:26 PM

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hand 1: i know this is a standard fold pf. i am oop, and dont know the action behind me, right? but, the reason was to mix it up, was getting a bit coolered, and at this level, you can get away with this one pf...all day long. would i even look at this at 2/4? hell, no. i should have c/red...true.

hand 2: spenda says..fine. newell says..cap pf. and ragnar says..be aggressive, be, be aggressive (sorry old cheerleading movie quote, had to be there...i just tell myself that a lot in marginal situations.). i' meh on advice of c/ring flop because i hit TP...i cant get anyone out of a 16 sb pot, and why feed the draws when all i got is TP/no redraw? at this point all i want is to c/c all the way down and hope i hold. imo, not exactly the spot to be aggro.

hand 3: why would i EVER fold this pf when this level, in general, is so passive they will never do any more than raise w/o AQ+, KK+? part of my oop pf play down here is to play anything marginal that i dont mind calling one raise with. i just dont see a 3bet often, and its an easy fold when i do. if i get in early for a limp, i get great odds to call a raise...no one folds for one more down here (we've discussed that one), and why not use that to my advantage to open my range of nut draws? seems like common sense to play to what the table will let you get away with, yes?

hand four: i knew that was weak post flop. but thats why i posted it. i wanted you guys to tell me so, so i dont forget to stay aggro in those hands.

many thanks.. its obvious, i have a long way to go, but i feel much better about what i've learned...just in the last week.

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NWNewell

06-03-2007, 09:47 PM

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I didn't say cap hand 2. I said raise preflop. When the action was to you the first time around, I wouldn't have called for the pf c/r. I would have just raised. If you were in position and someone raised in front of you would you 3-bet AJs? If so, you shouldn't have. And likewise, you should be trying to get 3bets in there OOP either.

splenda, for what it's worth... I wouldn't make this river fold with QQQ either. Just wanted to see how others felt. If we get c/r on the river, I think we are beat to the 1 card straight a lot. But probably not enough to fold to a pot this size ("this size meaning the size it should have been if Hero bet to the river

).

And good point about the stakes these hands where played at, I sometimes neglect that fact. Thinking about the stakes I play at... not that they are much higher.

My "Operation Come Back" Thread: Interupted.

Chopper

06-04-2007, 02:05 AM

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i misunderstood the "raise pf." i thought you meant...again. which is where i thought you said cap.

as for 3betting AJs, at these levels, i personally think it has an advantage over the field that will call it. oop was my mistake. if on the button, you can 3bet it, without blowing anyone out (meaning an early raise, and some cold calling players), i think you may have substantial equity in the pot...thus calling for a 3bet pf.

this wasnt that situation. and longterm, i think i wass the donkey in a lot of these hands. if not for the timing of raises, or missing value throughout the hands.

but agian, thats why i am asking these questions...i need to learn.

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Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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