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Old 07-10-2008, 04:46 AM     Post subject: session one..meh (low content) #1 (permalink)  
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two links. first one is only two hands (maiden voyage). i run meh.
http://weaktight.com/s4164
http://weaktight.com/s4165

the link should take you to a starting page of sorts that contains stat reads on the players involved. click replay to watch, or click the individual holdings at the bottom to find the HHs. the HHs are converted all pretty...lol.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:37 AM #2 (permalink)  
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My 2cents

29s hand:
Fine hand.
One little thing is at this level i'd rather c/c the flop. You have much less equity with that hand than say AXs. If it's checked around its a great result to get a free look at the turn. If button bets, you call getting good enough odds and maybe utg will stick around. I think semibluffing works best at higher levels and with better hands such as AXs since you may get folds that you welcome (cleaning outs) and it disguises your hand. Disguising your hand at this level is not so much of an issue as most villains dont even think about your hand (see how villain raises when you come alive w the flush on the river)

44 hand
I'm torn btween c-betting and not. I think your check was totally correct at that level though. At higher levels, a c-bet is mandatory since it will get some folds from hands that may outdraw u and will probably get u a free look at the river.

KQ hand
surprised at that GREAT fold. I may have called based on pot-odds but knowing i'm probably losing.

A2o in SB
I would complete with good odds

A2s utg is a muck for me in 6max, even at passive games.

KJo in BB.
wether to raise or check pf depends on game/table. At this passive one i'd check, but wouldnt go for the c/r on the flop. Against these passives, value bet, value bet, value bet. The board isnt that scary that u need to protect.

44 in SB is a call for me at this table, as u can expect 2 calls behind u and have 25% discount. You can also expect extra bets if u get a set.

26o in SB i would complete at such a passive table getting 9-1 and not expecting a raise from BB

KJs utg
i would definitely bet the flop. U may have the best hand, and u have a lots of equity with a gut shot + 3flush (both to the nuts) + 2 "overs"

A3s utg
same as A2s utg

85o in sb i would complete at the passive table getting 11-1
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:53 PM #3 (permalink)  
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thanks, asp.

i generally have cut out a ton of oop stuff, as evidenced by that session. i have been running poorly lately, and thats the first leak i close down. i normally get frisky with small pp's and AXs. and, by frisky, i mean i limp/call them a lot.

another of my tendencies, when running bad, is to stop playing KJo and the like for a raise from all positions. if its clear i wont get folds, i just limp it, as its not so good multiway.

here, and in session two, you are seeing me play about as tight as i care to play. mostly because of the cooler i've been on. although, i must say, i'm not on one in these sessions. they just arent super hot, either.

thanks for the look.
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Old 07-11-2008, 01:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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92s...i tend to play smaller flushes VERY aggressively because i want to drive single card draws out in case i hit the turn. anything like 8h8c may fold to a bet. QcX may fold. maybe even the Kc. i dont see Ac folding for one bet at this level. and, if my club hits the turn, i am certainly not chasing them off. then, if the fourth club hits river, i am basically screwed because i didnt try to fold single club hands off. i guess i beat the 8, but you see my point. i play weak flush draws aggressively. with AXs, i am drawing to the nuts. do i really want to chase anyone off? is that wrong?

44...i dont like cbetting into 4 players, even with initiative. at this level, i see too many stations to do that.

KQ...villain was aggro (AF of 3.1). i looked after i folded, though. i still thought the cap on the flop had TPGK beat, and when the flush completed, there is just too much out there for my curiosity to get the better of me. sure, he is likely bluffy, but this isnt probably the spot to call down because so much beats me. he probably flopped two pair.

A2o.. i HATE offsuited aces in the blinds. dont know how to play them yet...so i often dont. i will steal with them or 3bet a suspected stealer with them for sd value, but i dont do it much.

A2s..frisky play. i havent been doing much of this lately. but, here i just felt like "what the hell." if i hit a draw, i likely spend a bunch, but sometimes early in a session, its not the worst thing to show you are a bit of a donkey oop. tends to get AK paid.

KJo..yeah, the c/r is prolly dumb. the reason i checked it through was because the pot was multi-way, and i am having a truckload of trouble oop right now. raising wont fold off this table, so why spend the money?

44...i didnt know that 3rd player would call. it didnt look good when it came to me, and it wasnt just a 1/2 bet anymore. i just dont get in the habit of doing this with small pairs. i have no clue where i am post flop most times.

26o...you wont probably ever see me play this in 6max, for any odds. if its suited, i may get loose once in awhile, but not offsuit. you have to hit 2pair, and still are easily counterfeited.

KJs...a Q and A hit the flop. all i see is a gutter to a cooler if the diamond gives my straight. why waist any money here, especially oop.

85o...see 26o. same trash, imo. again, suited, and maybe, but most times still not.

thanks for the time. this actually REALLY helps.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:15 AM #5 (permalink)  
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92s...i tend to play smaller flushes VERY aggressively because i want to drive single card draws out in case i hit the turn. anything like 8h8c may fold to a bet. QcX may fold. maybe even the Kc. i dont see Ac folding for one bet at this level. and, if my club hits the turn, i am certainly not chasing them off. then, if the fourth club hits river, i am basically screwed because i didnt try to fold single club hands off. i guess i beat the 8, but you see my point. i play weak flush draws aggressively. with AXs, i am drawing to the nuts. do i really want to chase anyone off? is that wrong?
I think the reverse is the correct play, as 92s really wont win much unless u hit the flush. AXs will win by hitting the flush and many times also by hitting an ace or the kicker if its >8. Also, Ahigh may be the best hand, even multiway, but 9high will never be. So u dont mind putting in as many bets as possible in the flop betting as long as its multiway with a hand like AXs but getting raised on the flop when u have 9high isnt a great feeling. Being aggressive with the AXs may give u the pot if u clear outs. With the 92s, u only protect against suckouts.

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44...i dont like cbetting into 4 players, even with initiative. at this level, i see too many stations to do that.
Not necessarily at this level, but it's a free card play, and passives will check to u on the turn most of the time if u bet the flop, so you're not doing it to win the pot, just to see the river cheap.

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A2o.. i HATE offsuited aces in the blinds. dont know how to play them yet...so i often dont. i will steal with them or 3bet a suspected stealer with them for sd value, but i dont do it much.
Just a question of pot odds, but not necessarily a bad fold if u dont feel confortable playing that hand there.

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KJo..yeah, the c/r is prolly dumb. the reason i checked it through was because the pot was multi-way, and i am having a truckload of trouble oop right now. raising wont fold off this table, so why spend the money?
hmmm... this hand is not a question of getting folds imo. U have the best hand and u want to value bet as long as u do.

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44...i didnt know that 3rd player would call. it didnt look good when it came to me, and it wasnt just a 1/2 bet anymore. i just dont get in the habit of doing this with small pairs. i have no clue where i am post flop most times.
here u would just be playing it for set value. No set no bet. With a good relative position on the flop. The discount of the SB increases your implied odds as you are not cold calling 2 to win X, but 1.5 to win the same X

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26o...you wont probably ever see me play this in 6max, for any odds. if its suited, i may get loose once in awhile, but not offsuit. you have to hit 2pair, and still are easily counterfeited.
I only do this with hands that are either suited or connected somewhat. Normally this is an unprofitable hand, as the times u flop a str8 or 2pair dont compensate for the 1bet pf investments. But they do compensate for 1/2 bet pf investments in multiway pots. Only marginally, so no harm in folding.

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KJs...a Q and A hit the flop. all i see is a gutter to a cooler if the diamond gives my straight. why waist any money here, especially oop.
It doesnt look as good as it really is! both your draws are to the nuts, bet the flop and reevaluate on the turn. It dont seem that way but you have a lot of equity on the flop with those combined small draws.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:15 AM #6 (permalink)  
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sorry to not include quotes, but this would get really long.

92s..i dont think you play AXs for TP value oop in a level where you are getting called down by everything. arent you allowing the "schooling affect" to kill you? dont you need to thin a field by betting out? and, if so, you arent folding an A that connects down here. so, while playing the flush draw, you would only be thinning a field, potentially, when you are drawing to the nuts. sure, you will win some Ahi hands, and weak TP hands, but wouldnt you rather leverage the field of stations by stringing them along? if you get HU, how happy are you with TPNK and some guy blasting you with raises?

on the other hand, with a weaker draw, you need to thin it out on the chance you WILL NOT win unless your draw hits. if you have FE, you need to maximize it to make your hand profitable while building a pot for your flush if they stay in, right? but, more importantly, you try to drive off the one-card chasers, i think.

we may need to move this to its own topic? i would like to see what others say here.

44..i understand what you are saying. but, wasnt i oop? i cant remember...lol.

KJo..pf it IS more about folding/thinning than capatilizing on pf equity, imo. too many are willing to call two cold, which is a good thing, but when 3 do it, its not to a hand that does better in smaller fields. and, again, we are oop. if its suited, i raise it w/o thinking. but, since its not, i tend to call when i cant get a couple folds because people down here dont fold 84o once they've limped. and, its easier for me to get away from when i miss. PLUS, and more importantly, it keeps a pot a little smaller, which makes our villains make bigger mistakes when we like our hand and decide to play it aggressively. from what i've read, LHE isnt only about equity...its also about putting villains in spots where they will make even bigger mistakes. and, sometimes that happens in smaller pot sizes.

26o..i will loosen up like crazy here, but i still try and use some sense (no insult intended). i want to be one-gapped if not suited. and i want to be loosely connected if suited. 26s, i would play. but, i need 56o to even consider it. and, frankly, i want a little power with my offsuited connectors. 89o is about the minimum. again, this is a function of level and the fact i cant often get the folds necessary to make someone think i hit a flop when that lone paint hits it. damned stations! these things probably change the higher you go.

KJs..i miss the subtle things like this. double backdoors with mid pair is often stronger than i give credit to. here i didnt see the bd flush draw was to the nuts. i just saw it as a gutter with no overs and chucked it.

again, i appreciate the help. looks like we will have some fun debates. wonder where DDog and Korn are?
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