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Old 12-08-2004, 07:44 PM     Post subject: Selected Limit hands analysis #1 (permalink)  
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I have a question about agression factor mine is .47 pre flop, though raise preflop is 7.3%. Flop is 3.17, turn 2.85, and river is 1.83. My Vol put in is 20.81 i know it is a bit high but i think it is because i have been getting good hands. And before i start on hand histories i would like to know is playing pockets 66 and lower in early postion is bad, because it feels to me that i can't make back the money i lose from posting when i hit trips(and as of yet i am not good enough to call down with second pair).

Hand 1
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5, T, 8 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, CO calls, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (23 SB) 6, T, 4 (7 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (16.50 BB) 2 (5 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (21.50 BB) J (5 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB
I lost. Was i overly aggressive?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, Q. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO (poster) folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (14.50 SB) Q, 9, 7 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 5 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (10.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Qc (two pair, queens and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.75 BB.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, A.
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3, 6, J (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Ad (one pair, sixes).
UTG+1 has Qd Jc (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 8 BB.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J.
UTG folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 7, 2, 8 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 4 (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button folds.

River: (10 BB) Q (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 has 8s Qs (two pair, queens and eights).
Hero has Ad Jc (high card, ace).
Outcome: MP1 wins 14 BB.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, K.
UTG calls, MP folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, 8, K (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero folds.

River: (10.50 BB) 4 (2 players)
BB bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 7s 8s (two pair, eights and sevens).
UTG has 9s Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: BB wins 12.50 BB.

I was not sure about this lay down, i was sure i had UTG beat cause we played a few hands before and i know he was out to get me, i pushed him around or so he thought because i kept having the goods.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 5, Q, K (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 2d Kh (two pair, kings and fives).
Hero has Jd Js (two pair, jacks and fives).
Button has Ts Ks (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: Button wins 13.25 BB.

Yet again am i overly aggressive?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J.
UTG folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9, K, Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) K (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ts Kh (three of a kind, kings).
Hero has Jc Jd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 8.25 BB.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 7, 2, A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (13 BB) J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
BB has As 3s (one pair, aces).
Hero has Tc Ts (one pair, tens).
UTG+2 has 5h 9h (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins 13 BB.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T, T. MP1 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 6, 3, 8 (6 players)
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 6 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Th (two pair, tens and sixes).
MP3 doesn't show.
Button has Jh Jc (two pair, jacks and sixes).
Outcome: Button wins 13.50 BB.

Is there a common theme, but how do i lay it down?

Further more i had pocket 22s 4 times and even when i made the trips i am still in the red just from the blinds. Anyways thank you advance for any help that you can offer
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Old 12-08-2004, 08:57 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't laydown much post-flop, but then again I play more aggressive games.

Hand 1:
Consider a pre-flop cap without a read.

Hand 2:
Flop and turn are close because the pot is out of control. The river call is really bad.

Hand 3:
Well played

Hand 4:
Bet/Raise the flop. Try to take this one over

Hand 5:
Call pre-flop
Terrible check/raise. 5 players saw the flop, you missed and are out of position, get over it.

Hand 6:
Without a read I 3-bet the flop and lead the turn unless they cap.

Hand 7:
Fold the river, otherwise well played. BTW, BB played his hand really well.

Hand 8:
River is close

Hand 9:
BB's bet into an Ace high board with so much pre-flop aggression is interesting. Given the pot size, well played.

Hand 10:
Well played
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Old 12-08-2004, 09:16 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 On hands 7,8 I thought I was being way too aggressive with two overcards. On these limits is there really a chance that I actually have it. I think I have problems letting go of hands, but yet I am afraid to lose a winner, because I saw you say in another post a an extra call is one bet mistake a bad fold is 3-5 bet mistake. Also in general with over pairs when no reraises do you just keep pushing and if he has Jacks so be it. Furthermore if on the river an ace or a king flops I wouldn't fold even if I think I am beat? I still do not completely understanding the dynamics of the game. Also how do I improve my aggression factor?
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Also in general with over pairs when no reraises do you just keep pushing and if he has Jacks so be it. Furthermore if on the river an ace or a king flops I wouldn't fold even if I think I am beat? I still do not completely understanding the dynamics of the game.
Push until pushed back on, preferably in position so you can make a bet/check decison on the river. If a better hand just check/calls, so be it.

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Also how do I improve my aggression factor?
Play well. In these kinds of games you may not have a very high agg because of the need to call down thin because the pot is too often f'n huge.
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Old 12-09-2004, 06:02 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - Good. I just about always cap if possible, but I can see stopping at the 3-bet preflop to disguise your hand.

Hand 2 - You gotta let your AKo go here. Button HAS a hand and you have nothing. Let it go on the turn at the latest.

Hand 3 - Don't see anything you could have done differently.

Hand 4 - I don't understand your river bet with nothing. Do you have reason to believe UTG+1 will lay down here?

Hand 5 - Butchered! Not a bad idea to check raise the flop with overs, but you are in the worst possible position to run this play, being in the SB. Try this play again when you are last to act.

Hand 6 - Tough hand. Nice read on the turn. Not sure I could have laid it down at that point, but I think it was the right play.

Hand 7 - You made a valiant effort with your JJ on the flop. Dump it on the turn. It couldn't have been any more obvious that you were beat.

Hand 8 - Two overs again...slow down.

Hand 9 - 4 to the flop - somebody has an A. Not quite sure how you should proceed on that flop...the BB did bet into you after the PFR's...

Hand 10 -Well played. No way you can get away from this hand.
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Old 12-09-2004, 07:02 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Re-reading Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players by Sklansky and Malmouth.

This covers the JJ situation you had in the above hands pretty thoroughly:

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For example, if you have against four opponents, a king flops, and someone bets into you, especially if you showed strength before the flop, you are almost always beaten. In addition, you have little chance of improvement. The best play in this spot is usually to throw your hand away. If no one bets and it is checked to you, go ahead and bet. With luck, everyone will fold, or perhaps someone will call with a hand like middle pair.
-Hold'em Poker For Advanced Players , Sklansky and Malmouth, pg 107.

Basically the same thing Fnord said...just read it and it reminded me of your JJ hands.
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why did you not bet on the river in hand 10? it seems like if he had a higher pocket pair he would have raised on the river.
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