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Old 05-30-2005, 07:16 PM     Post subject: Selected 6 max hands. #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
4 folds, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) K, 2, 5 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (7 BB) J (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 5c 5d (three of a kind, fives).
Hero has Kh Ad (one pair, kings).
Outcome: SB wins 9 BB.


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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, A.
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, 6, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) J (2 players)
Hero bets, MP folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 6.50 BB.



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Preflop: Hero is MP with A, J.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 6, 3, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 5.20 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins 5.20 BB.



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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 7.
Hero raises, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 4, Q, 5 (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.20 BB) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.20 BB

Results in white below:
BB has 9s As (high card, ace).
Hero has 7c 7d (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.20 BB.


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Old 05-30-2005, 07:29 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think they all look good except for the last hand. I think you bet the turn or river there.
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:03 AM #3 (permalink)  
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All nice

Nice move in hand 2 betting the turn (with the intent to fold to a raise, I assume).

Were you multi-tabling during these??
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Old 05-31-2005, 04:40 AM #4 (permalink)  
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All nice

Nice move in hand 2 betting the turn (with the intent to fold to a raise, I assume).

Were you multi-tabling during these??
yes, dualing.


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Old 05-31-2005, 05:38 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Jeff

Good luck at 6max.

By the way, send me a PM if you want a list of 10/20 Empire/Party 6max players with 55% VP and over.

Believe it or not, I have 246 hands on one player that is 74%. I aslo have a player that is 72%VP/1%PFR......
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Nice move in hand 2 betting the turn (with the intent to fold to a raise, I assume).

How do you find that move?!?!? I haven't been able to get away with that stuff at full ring, and the 6 max guys call anything that moves...
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Old 05-31-2005, 06:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Nice move in hand 2 betting the turn (with the intent to fold to a raise, I assume).

How do you find that move?!?!? I haven't been able to get away with that stuff at full ring, and the 6 max guys call anything that moves...
Hi Fnord

I don't like the call on the flop re-raise by Jeff......but, if he is going to take that line, betting the spade on the turn was a good play. If he checks he might as well fold the turn then and there, cause he's going to get bet at.

As I said, though, unless I have a read to the contrary on MP, I'm folding the flop re-raise, so I'm not getting to that point anyway.

That's why I asked if he was multi-tabling..I thought no way a person could make some of these player-dependent reads playing 6 tables at once.
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Old 05-31-2005, 05:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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How do you find that move?!?!? I haven't been able to get away with that stuff at full ring, and the 6 max guys call anything that moves...
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I don't like the call on the flop re-raise by Jeff.
It was just one raise.


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I'm folding the flop re-raise, so I'm not getting to that point anyway

Why would you fold to his raise? Its a small bet to call getting 11-1 against an aggressive player who raises way too much in a game with only selective aggression and would probably any two over cards here just like I would. I also dont want to give him a free card like I would if checked to me. If i'm him Im raising with just about anything in MP if i'm stealing the blinds and if he really is bad then who knows what he is raising with. Chances are he has two over cards and no J or other pair or he would call down. I bet he had some junk holding like KTo, ATo or i'll give him credit for KQo. Autofolding to a flop raise in any situation costs you money. My donk bet here on the turn confused the fuck out of the guy and with the straight and flush possible if he has no pair he's out of the pot. If this happened to me I'm folding too. I'm not folding this hand, if anything I'm check calling him down with my Ace high because if he didnt hit his pair I will win most kicker wars.

When playing these hands think about what you would do if your opponent did what you do and see how you would react differently. With two over cards on the turn the only reason I raise the flop is to get a free card and I have folding equity on the river. If bet into I'm no longer calling down because more than likely this guy has no idea what a Stop n go is and is just playing his hand.


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Old 06-01-2005, 12:37 AM #9 (permalink)  
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How do you find that move?!?!? I haven't been able to get away with that stuff at full ring, and the 6 max guys call anything that moves...
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I don't like the call on the flop re-raise by Jeff.
It was just one raise.


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I'm folding the flop re-raise, so I'm not getting to that point anyway

Why would you fold to his raise? Its a small bet to call getting 11-1 against an aggressive player who raises way too much in a game with only selective aggression and would probably any two over cards here just like I would. I also dont want to give him a free card like I would if checked to me. If i'm him Im raising with just about anything in MP if i'm stealing the blinds and if he really is bad then who knows what he is raising with. Chances are he has two over cards and no J or other pair or he would call down. I bet he had some junk holding like KTo, ATo or i'll give him credit for KQo. Autofolding to a flop raise in any situation costs you money. My donk bet here on the turn confused the fuck out of the guy and with the straight and flush possible if he has no pair he's out of the pot. If this happened to me I'm folding too. I'm not folding this hand, if anything I'm check calling him down with my Ace high because if he didnt hit his pair I will win most kicker wars.

When playing these hands think about what you would do if your opponent did what you do and see how you would react differently. With two over cards on the turn the only reason I raise the flop is to get a free card and I have folding equity on the river. If bet into I'm no longer calling down because more than likely this guy has no idea what a Stop n go is and is just playing his hand.
As I noted, "unless I have a read to the contrary" I am folding the raise.

You say "he's agressive player who raises too much in a game with only slective aggression." We don't have this info when looking at the hand, Jeff. As such, I take the raise as face value until I have a read to the on the player.

At face value, he raised you MP, you missed the flop, and he knows you had a hand worth 3 betting, and he still raised your post-flop bet (knowing that U could three-bet him again), and you have position. Based on this knowlege alone, It's a clear fold for me.

If he's bluffing at this pot based on the above factors, it's rather odd. It's not often you try and push around the 3 better who has position.

I'm not sure we have a different opinion here, by you have more info than the rest of us who are just looking at the hand.
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 I have no more info than you do, especially, when multitabling. The description I gave was the description of an average 5/10 6 max player. Nothing out of the ordinary. You analysis is rather complex theres only three possible scenarios to every action.


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I have no more info than you do, especially, when multitabling. The description I gave was the description of an average 5/10 6 max player. Nothing out of the ordinary. You analysis is rather complex theres only three possible scenarios to every action.
I don't run into many "average" 6 maxers, Jeff

according to my DB I have about 1/4 of the players running under 26%VP (some aggressive and some passive) and about 1/2 running over 45% VP (some aggressive and some passive). I find the field to be pretty much polarized as having a few TAGS, but mostly Loose passive or loose agro players. It's kind or rare to see a player in the 26 to 35% range, I find it a game of playing agianst polar opposites, for the most part.

I think that is one of the great benefits of six max: very few middle of the road players - they seem to stake their claim as high or low VP, with varying levels of aggression.

But my point is, if the player you made the turn raise call on is 25/5 or 65/10 post flop, it's a clear fold IMO. If he's 25/19 or 50/25 then go ahead and call, or better yet, raise, if your gut tells you he's overplaying broadways...or a weak ace.

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I have no more info than you do, especially, when multitabling. The description I gave was the description of an average 5/10 6 max player. Nothing out of the ordinary. You analysis is rather complex theres only three possible scenarios to every action.
I don't run into many "average" 6 maxers, Jeff

according to my DB I have about 1/4 of the players running under 26%VP (some aggressive and some passive) and about 1/2 running over 45% VP (some aggressive and some passive). I find the field to be pretty much polarized as having a few TAGS, but mostly Loose passive or loose agro players. It's kind or rare to see a player in the 26 to 35% range, I find it a game of playing agianst polar opposites, for the most part.

I think that is one of the great benefits of six max: very few middle of the road players - they seem to stake their claim as high or low VP, with varying levels of aggression.

But my point is, if the player you made the turn raise call on is 25/5 or 65/10 post flop, it's a clear fold IMO. If he's 25/19 or 50/25 then go ahead and call, or better yet, raise, if your gut tells you he's overplaying broadways...or a weak ace.

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How many people in his situation though raise with overcards? Even a 5% PFR raises this flop with his AK.


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