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Rage2100
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03-05-2010, 12:08 AM
Post subject: Second nut flush against a maniac and a tighty ($10PLO).
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I'm not sure I played this hand correctly at all. CO was a complete maniac, 98/78 over 52 hands, and had been betting every street of almost every hand if he was checked to. Button was fairly tight though, and hadn't got involved in many big hands. His turn raise puts CO all-in, but I don't see why he would raise without a flush himself, after I've called the flop bet. Should I just call the raise, and see what he does on the river? I didn't want to re-raise and be completely crushed by an A high flush, but I didn't want to just call and let top set make the full house. I'd been playing quite a tight game, and I'm sure Button must have noticed this, as he seemed half decent.
Omaha Hi Pot Limit $0.05/$0.10
UTG ($8.35)
UTG+1 ($3.40)
CO ($7.03)
BTN ($16.70)
Hero ($18.24)
BB ($8.40)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q  , 8 , J  , T  .
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.40) 6 , K , 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, Hero calls $1.20
Turn: ($5) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, BTN raises to $6, Hero ??
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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it's call or fold, not call or shove, if someone is going to fill they are going to fill. This would also be a really weird play to make with a set since he has to assume one if not both of you has a flush if he doesn't have one.
I have never played this low, but vs a sane, tight player this is a quick fold because it's a better flush always.
If you want to continue playing in the face of this action I think it would be best to c/raise the flop instead, folding to more action from BU.
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baudib
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I fold pre; I'd fold the turn for sure.
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atlantafalcons0
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rage2100
I'm not sure I played this hand correctly at all. CO was a complete maniac, 98/78 over 52 hands, and had been betting every street of almost every hand if he was checked to. Button was fairly tight though, and hadn't got involved in many big hands. His turn raise puts CO all-in, but I don't see why he would raise without a flush himself, after I've called the flop bet. Should I just call the raise, and see what he does on the river? I didn't want to re-raise and be completely crushed by an A high flush, but I didn't want to just call and let top set make the full house. I'd been playing quite a tight game, and I'm sure Button must have noticed this, as he seemed half decent.
Omaha Hi Pot Limit $0.05/$0.10
UTG ($8.35)
UTG+1 ($3.40)
CO ($7.03)
BTN ($16.70)
Hero ($18.24)
BB ($8.40)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , 8 , J , T .
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.40) 6 , K , 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, Hero calls $1.20
Turn: ($5) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, BTN raises to $6, Hero ?? |
I'd fold preflop for sure, just doesn't seem like a hand I want to call rasies with.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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this is a great hand, 3 bet before you fold, I am only folding this hand pre flop OOP to a cold 3 bet.
If you are folding this pre here, you should move tables.
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baudib
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Doc I would play this hand anywhere but the SB, and 3-bet it from most positions....I just hate playing from the SB and ending up in spots like these, which are much more manageable in position. If the 8s were a face card I'd obviously play it, am I missing spots with playable hands in the SB?
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atlantafalcons0
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
this is a great hand, 3 bet before you fold, I am only folding this hand pre flop OOP to a cold 3 bet.
If you are folding this pre here, you should move tables.
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I'm sticking to my guns, I'd play it preflop (in the small blind) if I was double suited.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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how would this hand play differently if we were IP?
this is clearly +EV vs CO in hand described, the idea that you want to fold with this person in makes no senes to me. He always bets, you have a great hand that will allow you to stack off vs him on tons of flop, easy game. You even have position on the BU after he acts. Don't you guys like money?
multi way pot I think folding is a leak vs any group of players. I mean you have to plays some hands from the SB, if not this one which ones?
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atlantafalcons0
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I guess i'm just a little more selective than most in my small blind omaha raise calling hands.
LOL
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baudib
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
I mean you have to plays some hands from the SB, if not this one which ones?
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Honestly, I have been folding about 95% of hands from the SB vs. a raise and 90% in limped pots if only 1-2 people are in already.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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I def think this hand is in my top 5%. what does your always call 1 raise range look like?
but again you must adjust for the goof ball, he makes this not even close.
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atlantafalcons0
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You need to leave the table if this hand is in your top 5 percent hands.
LMFAO!
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baudib
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The gap really bothers me, if it were QTJ9 double-suited I'm obviously playing, guess it's a small difference though. My range in the SB is basically Axs+connectors or big pairs, 4 broadways, coordinate big pair hands...tossing most of your basic QQK7 or TT99 type hands or A2K7 offsuit hands.
I (over)compensate by playing about 60% on the button, and 3-/4-betting the blinds with just about all of it.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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well, add this hand in pre and see how it goes, feel free to post any bad spots. I'd fold most AA and KKxx hands before this one, and it plays better than AQJTos or like KJT9ss types imo. I would of course play many of those too, tight from blinds is good, folding huge hands multiway or HU vs bad players is not.
back on topic, never fold with this CO, that is not debatable. You showed up today to take this guy's money, don't let your hand chart mess you up.
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atlantafalcons0
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
well, add this hand in pre and see how it goes, feel free to post any bad spots. I'd fold most AA and KKxx hands before this one, and it plays better than AQJTos or like KJT9ss types imo. I would of course play many of those too, tight from blinds is good, folding huge hands multiway or HU vs bad players is not.
back on topic, never fold with this CO, that is not debatable. You showed up today to take this guy's money, don't let your hand chart mess you up.
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Ok, I agree and I will start to play these types of hands in this position just to see.
Thanks!
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Rage2100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drmcboy
back on topic, never fold with this CO, that is not debatable. You showed up today to take this guy's money, don't let your hand chart mess you up.
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I don't know what the play is like at the higher levels, but $10PLO is full of players like the CO. I don't like playing too many hands from the SB, but the implied odds you get from a lot of players at this level are huge. I hardly ever fold a hand like this to a raise and a call. It's just a pity the Button came along in this one.
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