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Nehmer
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06-29-2005, 11:14 PM
Post subject: Seat selection at 6-max
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What are the most important factors you look at in deciding which table to play at in 6-max? For example I tend to look for tables with a high average pot sized, but players who have less than $300 at the 5/10 game. I am starting to have mixed feelings about average pot size though, because I prefer tables where I am the most aggressive player in terms of preflop raises, but I want a table with bad players that will play too many hands too far. Does anybody have any better suggestions on things to look for? I've pretty much decided to get PokerEdge, so that might be good for helping me completely avoid sharks, but I'm always looking for ways to improve my game 
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elipsesjeff
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Dont look at the starting dollar amount really, 75% of the players at the 5/10 game only start with 25 BB, including myself. I use Poker Edge, and look for the table with one Calling Station (symbolized as a telephone) with a large stack and get position on him. I then just isolate that one person and play lots and lots of heads up play and win lots of small pots.
An Ideal candidate has probably 67% vpip with a PFR of 6 or less and an Agg factor less than 1. These guys bet with a pair, check/call when raised or have draw, never check raises and sees lots of showdowns. More than one of these guys are great and the other 3 players at the table I can care less about. If the other 3 are sharks, so be it because I'm going to force them to 3-bet or cold call me with whatever hand they have. Also, you'll get more action out of them when you actually do hit Aces and get paid off. This strategy has pretty much added .75 BB/100 to my game and has really helped.
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Fnord
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Game/seat selection is way under-rated.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Game/seat selection is way under-rated.
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Exactly why I'm asking about it....I know I have improved my poker skills a TON over the past few months, but I don't know if I've improved any in table selection and don't think that I'm all that good at it to begin with. I at least dont' just join the waiting list for first table with more than 8 people anymore though
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elipsesjeff
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
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So I bought PokerEdge and I must say that I am pretty skeptical. Now I understand that they can't keep track of every hand, so their numbers will be off quite a bit, but their numbers for me are WAY off and I bet they are for a lot of other people too. At 3/6 full ring, they have about a 7000 hand sample for me(not even 1/10th the sample size I have in poker tracker) and the numbers are just not compatible at all. VPIP is fairly close, but PFR, BB/100, WtSD, W$SD, and the blind defense numbers are just way off from my actual numbers. I don't know how much stock you can really put in a program that is providing such inaccurate information. Especially considering that it has less than 1000 hands tracked for most people which means the information for them will be even more inaccurate. If VPIP is the only usefual number you can get from the program it doesn't seem worth the money to me.
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PokerEdge
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Nehmer,
The first thing I would ask is what are your filter settings set to? Keep in mind that PT doesn't have the advanced filtering that PokerEdge has, so if anything the PokerEdge data will be more accurate with respect to the particular game you are playing.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Poker_Edge.html
PokerEdge[/url]]Nehmer,
The first thing I would ask is what are your filter settings set to? Keep in mind that PT doesn't have the advanced filtering that PokerEdge has, so if anything the PokerEdge data will be more accurate with respect to the particular game you are playing.
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How so? What is PokerEdge filtering that PT isn't? I just figured that the disparity in stats was due to small sample size.
The filters on PT are pretty much standard for most players, since we tend to leave them as is.
So If I set my PT filter to say 3/6 with more than 7 players, How is that more or less accurate than the data that I get from PE?
Are you just saying that PE is looking at 3/6 games whereas PT has all games?
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by [url=http://www.flopturnriver.com/Referrals/Poker_Edge.html
PokerEdge[/url]]Nehmer,
The first thing I would ask is what are your filter settings set to? Keep in mind that PT doesn't have the advanced filtering that PokerEdge has, so if anything the PokerEdge data will be more accurate with respect to the particular game you are playing.
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Wow, I appreciate the reply and I wasn't meaning for my post to come off as a bash of PokerEdge. I was mostly just wondering if other people have seen the same differences in their stats with PokerEdge. It might be that the stats PokerEdge has for me are more inaccurate than their stats for 99% of the other players around due to them just happening to only see my sessions where I raised preflop less than usual. I would like to know how you figure your filtering system is any better than that of PokerTracker though? All the filtering options I have seen are also in PokerTracker as far as I can tell. Also the data for myself will be 100% accurate in PokerTracker, because I am able to import every single hand I play whereas PokerEdge was only able to get stats for me when I was playing at the same table as somebody else with PokerEdge(at least that is how I assume it works?). This gives me a good ability to test how accurate your stats are.
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elipsesjeff
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My 6 max stats are actually quite similar. My VPIP is hardly more than 1% low off (5% error) and my PFR is probably 1-2 % low (10% error) and My aggression is only .2 low. My blind numbers are also fairly similar.
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PokerEdge
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Nehmer,
I retract my statment - you're right PT can do the same filters. I assume you're using the Game Level check boxes in the Preferences tab in PT? If so, then the discrepancy could be due to sample size, although 7000 hands is a decent sample. Have you changed your playing style lately? The current Poker-Edge database has data before 2005 filtered out..
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