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Old 09-04-2006, 06:53 PM     Post subject: rockish tables advice needed #1 (permalink)  
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i have noticed tables at the major sites i play to be tightening up (crypto, hollywood, stars, even party a little). the tables still pay when you hit a decent hand, but i am having a bit of trouble "making proper adjustments."

mostly i see hands where only one person and the blinds are going at it, usually to a raise preflop in which everybody else folds. so, when a table is under 30% to the flop (under 20% vpip), what kind of adjustments do you make?

do you get more aggressive pre-flop? post-flop raise/re-raise more w/ marginals? or do you tighten up significantly and play TPTK style avoiding all connectors that aren't broadways?

i would move if there were better tables out there, but they all show the same numbers.

i tend to tighten up and start limping/calling w/ AQ instead of raising/3-betting. AX, QT, and 89s all fall off the menu, even from the button w/o at least 3 callers ahead (which isnt often). it seems when i try to "make a stand" w/ AQs in late and 3-bet, i get sucked out by a blind or end up against a pp when my Q hits the board (this may be the run of cards, i dont know just yet) am i, however, doing the right thing, or should i loosen up a bit and raise more? i am about 15% to flop w/ pfr of 6% right now over about 6k hands, but those numbers seem to be heading even tighter.

when you see a bunch of "blind steals," how do you react? let them have it or fight back w/ the crap you were dealt (AXo, K4s, etc.)?

please discuss...
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Old 09-04-2006, 09:45 PM #2 (permalink)  

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I just started playing for real money today, after signing up on a promotion for $50 to open an account at PartyPoker. I am noticing the same thing that you mentioned. I also noticed (at least at the tables I've played today). That most of the people are playing by the book. At least that makes it easy to tell who has the good hand at the moment.
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Old 09-04-2006, 11:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 09-05-2006, 07:02 AM     Post subject: Re: rockish tables advice needed #4 (permalink)  
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so, when a table is under 30% to the flop (under 20% vpip), what kind of adjustments do you make?

do you get more aggressive pre-flop? post-flop raise/re-raise more w/ marginals? or do you tighten up significantly and play TPTK style avoiding all connectors that aren't broadways?

i tend to tighten up and start limping/calling w/ AQ instead of raising/3-betting. AX, QT, and 89s all fall off the menu, even from the button w/o at least 3 callers ahead (which isnt often). it seems when i try to "make a stand" w/ AQs in late and 3-bet, i get sucked out by a blind or end up against a pp when my Q hits the board (this may be the run of cards, i dont know just yet) am i, however, doing the right thing, or should i loosen up a bit and raise more? i am about 15% to flop w/ pfr of 6% right now over about 6k hands, but those numbers seem to be heading even tighter.

when you see a bunch of "blind steals," how do you react? let them have it or fight back w/ the crap you were dealt (AXo, K4s, etc.)?

please discuss...
I find this an interesting subject and would love to hear what the more experienced players think.

My understanding, and what I've been doing on Crypto is going towards loose-aggressive, although when I play early morning (GMT) it's usually looser and so I tighten up. (This is both on the limit and NL tables).

I've only played 3k hands of limit, but so far I'm running 18/9 and that seems to work for me pre-flop.
I'm frequently raising QJo if it's folded to me and I'm within 2 seats of the button.
Of course you can't take these hands too far.

I play AQ as an raise in an unraised pot or a fold. I'll cold call with AQs but won't like it. I wouldn't raise a raised pot with AQ on a tight table.

According to PT I've raised 57 different hands pre-flop winning 75% and with 50% never seeing a flop.
The way I see it, if I'm going to just get the blinds with my rockets, then I'll take the blinds with my K3o on the button.
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Old 09-05-2006, 02:23 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Someone is playing tight passively. How do you exploit them? You play loose aggressively -- within reason. Steal more. Don't cold call with AQs, threebet it. Steal more. Ramp up your aggression. Steal more. The rocks are obscenely obvious when they have a hand. Don't call down much -- they don't bluff. Border on "maniac" preflop when you have position against opponents who are easy to read.

To summarize: Raise light, play solid postflop.
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Old 09-05-2006, 03:31 PM #6 (permalink)  
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To summarize: Raise light, play solid postflop.
Agreed.

Suited connecters go down in value, but big cards go way up. 3-bet TPTK cards with position. Try stealing the blinds from the CO and Button with any reasonable hand (even Ace-rag off-suit if the blinds are very tight), continuation bet the blinds. If called on the flop, slow down. And beyond that play solid post-flop. Don't push beyond the flop unless you have the drawing odds. Also, bet middle pair for value more when heads up against the blinds.

You can try using a 6-max starting hand guide for your CO & Button play, when folded to you, if the tables are really tight and it seems to be a lot of Raiser vs Blinds battles. This might help you get an idea of how to adjust your starting hands.

Many players at these tables are tightening up preflop, but play kind of weak/tight. And that doesn't mean the play tight/well post flop. So, loose/agressive play preflop with high cards and position, and solid post flop play will usually succeed.

You won't be able to win as much as from a loose table. That's just they way it is. But you should be able to beat it.

If you still can't win, you need to start looking a little harder for softer games and put more time into table selection while you continue to work on the rest of your game.
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Old 09-05-2006, 08:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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great advice...

thank you.

i've tried these suggested tactics before, but have never COMITTED to said tactics for more than a session.
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