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Demiparadigm

12-21-2005, 10:53 AM Post subject: River play QQ?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, Q

.
2 folds, Button calls, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9

, T

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) T

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (15 BB) 7

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

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midas06

12-21-2005, 11:36 AM

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Unless he will fold on the river to one more bet, I don't like the turn 3 bet.

I'd call down, but then again, I suck.

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12-21-2005, 11:43 AM

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I'd just like to qualify my statement first... im new.

Ok. I like your turn play. SB could be check-raising for various reasons... to get you off AK or AQ is one.. picked up a flush draw is another??

What I question is what is the BB calling two bets with on both the flop and the turn? Is he really that bad of a calling station? Or does that represent a real holding?

I think you still have the best hand. The off chance is that the BB stayed all the way with A7 is possible.. but I think that a hand like 66 or 88 seems more likely.

The SB didnt take the opportunity to cap on the turn, so probably not a T. And neither capped preflop, so likely no AA or KK. Would he not cap the turn just for the chance to check-raise you again on the river? I doubt it.. do you get that read from him?

Conclusion: I would bet and then just call if I was raised.

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12-21-2005, 01:04 PM

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I like the turn 3-bet, and I would think a ten caps you (or do they know better at this game?).

I'd hate to see a river check-raise, but that's clever opponent and even if he had the 7, he's still behind if he thinks you've got the Ten.

I'd guess he'd flip over the 9 or another pocket pair. You're posting this so maybe you got burned by the T

- if that's the case I'd keep an eye on this crafty guy and I like his line.

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Romulus141

12-21-2005, 04:04 PM

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God that button player is horrible, haha.

Anyway, sans reads, the SB raise tells me he has something decent. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and not peg him as a raising maniac. So, this either means mid-high pocket pair or a couple of face cards (probably sooted). By him not capping, we know its probably not KK-AA or AK.

Flop comes and you probably have the best hand. With the button being uber-passive, we can't have a clue what he's doing. However, the SB is checking, so he probably missed the flop. Granted, if he has a PP that doesn't matter for him. He decides to wait until the turn to make a move.

He sees ten pair, and probably thinks "Well, he can't have that other ten, so my cards must currently be good." At this point, without reads, I logically put him on the range of AJ or a PP (JJ,88,66). He has the draw to the straight probably. Anyway, for this reason, I like your 3-bet. It calms the guy down, and its a last ditch attempt to get that stupid Button to fold and improve your chances of winning. Heads up however, I may call the raise instead of 3-betting.

In this case, I'd fire one more out on the river. There's two players left, and the Button certainly isn't going to raise, and after the 3-bet smack you gave the SB, I doubt he has the courage to raise you here either.

At showdown, my guess is SB turns over a lower, un-setted PP, and button turns over A7s for rivered full house

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12-21-2005, 04:09 PM

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since button is riding along, i probably switch to calldown when CR'd on the turn. Keep the pot small. Even more so on the river.

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12-21-2005, 10:13 PM

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Check call the river with the button still in the hand; SB more likely has an overpair or maybe a straight and flush draw, BB may also have an OESD . I like the turn 3 bet to drive out the button If you can fold to a cap from the button or SB.

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Demiparadigm

12-21-2005, 10:59 PM

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What range do we put our opponents on, assuming they're not terrible?
How does my hand compare to this range?

If I bet the river, what is my plan if I am raised?
Does it matter which player does the raising?

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12-21-2005, 11:10 PM

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I don't like the turn 3 bet as villain is check/raising the field, and not just heads up so he has to have some strength.

On the river, you still have button to act behind you, I would check and see what SB does if button bets, otherwise I'm usually seeing a showdown here with a second best hand.

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not2smart

12-21-2005, 11:20 PM

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Range of hands...

SB: KQ clubs, KJ clubs, JJ, 88, 66

BUTTON: same range adding A7s (however, calling 3 bets cold should narrow this down some. A7s is an unlikely holding in that case)

I suspect they both have either pairs lower than your or else overcards to the board with multiple draws.

You very likely have the best hand against this range of hands. Bet out. If you are raised, then call. It doesn't matter who does the raising, you are still going to call.

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Mike_Ann

01-26-2006, 10:25 PM

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I Would just check here. Since SB didn't cap your bet mean that he still not sure with his hand. However, the 3rd guy that's what worry me. Why he call all these bet??? why He not raise with the nut? Is that he want to last last round???
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