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Old 01-10-2009, 04:12 PM     Post subject: River play in big pot #1 (permalink)  
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Old 01-10-2009, 04:12 PM #2 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 7
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10.5 SB) 8, 7, 4 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (5.25 BB) J (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls, 1 fold

River: (9.25 BB) 2 (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, Button calls, 1 fold

Total pot: $11.25 (11.25 BB) | Rake: $0.50
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Bet the Flop on that one...Likely you're best and with everybody showing weakness, you'll get some folds. It may also buy you a free card on the turn if you don't like it. It will really make somebody think before betting into you on the turn...

I'd think about raising here. MP1 could be betting with anything because of the flop being checked down. You picked up the FD and with the size of the pot, you may be looking at having to call a river bet just because of odds.

This is a hard hand to comment on because there are no reads given about the other players. Do you have any numbers against them?

As played, I fold the river too...with the way betting went, it's almost impossible to put MP1 on a hand...You are getting the odds, but you're not closing the action and you don't know what people behind you are going to do.
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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dont open-limp from CO with a suited A. raise. besides, i wouldnt play a lot of weak A's in stars full ring games, except late and on a steal. the games arent loose enough to show profit. FR games are so tight these days, once over 10/20c, that i dont see them worth it. although, Korn and Asd will disagree with me.

i also think you need to bet that flop for value, and so btn can raise with his dominating A. had you done that, you would have a beatiful hand building when your FD hits the turn, too. therefore, you would have followed up with 14 outs. as played, i raise on a semi-bluff. again, 14 outs!

river fold is meh. i could go either way. no way btn raises now, so you're likely in for one bet in a rather large pot. the more i think about it, the more i dont like the river fold, either. you're good way more than 10% of the time.

at the microstakes, folding big pots on the river for one bet is a sure way to crush yourself. and, overall, its a small leak at best.
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Old 01-11-2009, 03:14 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Yeah. MP1 showed a total bluff and button had A4 and my hand was good.
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Old 01-11-2009, 06:45 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Bet the Flop on that one...Likely you're best and with everybody showing weakness, you'll get some folds. It may also buy you a free card on the turn if you don't like it. It will really make somebody think before betting into you on the turn...
Their weakness may not be very real, as they will often check good hands to the button preflop raisor.

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dont open-limp from CO with a suited A. raise. besides, i wouldnt play a lot of weak A's in stars full ring games, except late and on a steal. the games arent loose enough to show profit. FR games are so tight these days, once over 10/20c, that i dont see them worth it. although, Korn and Asd will disagree with me.
We're limping behind two limpers one off the button, that's definitely fine in my books. I would fold from EP, open raise from the HJ seat or later. FR games are tighter than they used to be, but those two limpers will still show up with hands like QJ, small pairs, even Ax sometimes. And our hand plays pretty well against all those.
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Old 01-11-2009, 11:13 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I think you played the hand well. Calling down with 3rd pair and two players left to act behind you can't be +EV.

MP1 and Btn both played this shockingly bad. take their names and put them on your buddy list.
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Old 01-14-2009, 05:21 AM #8 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 7
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls

Flop: (10.5 SB) 8, 7, 4 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (5.25 BB) J (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, BB calls, 1 fold

River: (9.25 BB) 2 (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, Button calls, 1 fold

Total pot: $11.25 (11.25 BB) | Rake: $0.50
Raise preflop, grab the btn.

Bet flop

Raise turn (if you get 3bet by MP, you can safely fold river w/out unless you have prior reads we don't know).

River: If you only get called on turn, check ui.

As played, I'd raise turn, check river.
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